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| I myself am realising what good work Warrington do in the community, folks like SEB and the scheme he/she (Sorry SEB, don't know you) is in is magnificent. They are almost using the clubs branding and draw to make a positive impact in the community. Wheher this is solely as a direct result of Mr Moran I do not know, but regardless, surely our model is the model that must be followed. You don't need mega funds to set up foundations, you need good people and passionate individuals.
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| Quote ="Don Brennan"Well that was easy saddened!'"
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| Quote ="Saddened!"You would be at the bottom of Super League but there would be little justification for getting rid of Warrington, despite the lack of youth production, the low crowds, the poor results and the lack of money.
It's amazing you ever got into Super League in the first place.
Warrington's transformation is perhaps the most glowing example of what can be achieved through franchising, or is it just an example of what can be achieved with the help of a wealthy benefactor?'"
shut up you fool.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"You would be at the bottom of Super League but there would be little justification for getting rid of Warrington, despite the lack of youth production, the low crowds, the poor results and the lack of money.
It's amazing you ever got into Super League in the first place.
Warrington's transformation is perhaps the most glowing example of what can be achieved through franchising, or is it just an example of what can be achieved with the help of a wealthy benefactor?'"
You can't use Warrington as a good example of what can be achieved through franchising, Catalans and Hull KR are good examples of what can be achieved through franchising.
The story for us is partly the stadium and partly (the larger part) about the benefactor.
There's a difference between having a wealthy benefactor and a good benefactor. In lots of sports there are examples of guys with money who have taken a sports club backwards. Out of all the sports I follow, IMO Simon Moran is the best model of a sporting benefactor because
1 - he is low profile and keeps out of the limelight (ie he hasn't bought the sports club to boost his own image)
2 - by him buying a majority share the season after we moved into the new stadium he guaranteed that the stadium profits could go back into the club rather than in the pockets of Greenalls or another major shareholder, this made the revenue streams a lot better for us
3 - he had the resources and the willingness to invest, at the time when we had just moved into the new stadium to capture some excitement around the town with a big push, bringing on board international players to prove we were serious
4 - he didn't bail out after the first few seasons of underachievement
5 - he's a promoter, which means he's good at networking and bringing people on board, his networking ability is why we got Andrew Johns here and I'm sure its been why we've made several other major signings like Morley, Monaghan etc
Too many benefactors in sport are a negative influence and clubs just have to weigh up the positives of the cash they put in against the negatives of their meddling. For us Simon Moran has been a very positive influence even over and above the cash he has put in, so I would say yes he is an example of the impact a really good sporting benefactor can have on a club. In many decades to come when people are looking at the history of Warrington RL I have no doubt that Simon Moran will be remembered in the same terms as Brian Bevan for contribution to Warrington RLFC.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"You would be at the bottom of Super League but there would be little justification for getting rid of Warrington, despite the lack of youth production
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lets not forget Saddened that at the time we were building our new stadium that 3 of the past 5 Man of Steel awards had gone to Warrington youth products....so I don't think we would have been kicked out of SL on youth production grounds
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"You can't use Warrington as a good example of what can be achieved through franchising, Catalans and Hull KR are good examples of what can be achieved through franchising.
The story for us is partly the stadium and partly (the larger part) about the benefactor.
There's a difference between having a wealthy benefactor and a good benefactor. In lots of sports there are examples of guys with money who have taken a sports club backwards. Out of all the sports I follow, IMO Simon Moran is the best model of a sporting benefactor because
1 - he is low profile and keeps out of the limelight (ie he hasn't bought the sports club to boost his own image)
2 - by him buying a majority share the season after we moved into the new stadium he guaranteed that the stadium profits could go back into the club rather than in the pockets of Greenalls or another major shareholder, this made the revenue streams a lot better for us
3 - he had the resources and the willingness to invest, at the time when we had just moved into the new stadium to capture some excitement around the town with a big push, bringing on board international players to prove we were serious
4 - he didn't bail out after the first few seasons of underachievement
5 - he's a promoter, which means he's good at networking and bringing people on board, his networking ability is why we got Andrew Johns here and I'm sure its been why we've made several other major signings like Morley, Monaghan etc
Too many benefactors in sport are a negative influence and clubs just have to weigh up the positives of the cash they put in against the negatives of their meddling. For us Simon Moran has been a very positive influence even over and above the cash he has put in, so I would say yes he is an example of the impact a really good sporting benefactor can have on a club. In many decades to come when people are looking at the history of Warrington RL I have no doubt that Simon Moran will be remembered in the same terms as Brian Bevan for contribution to Warrington RLFC.'"
good post..and I agree..Simon Moran is the archetypal sugar daddy...god bless him!
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"You can't use Warrington as a good example of what can be achieved through franchising, Catalans and Hull KR are good examples of what can be achieved through franchising.
The story for us is partly the stadium and partly (the larger part) about the benefactor.
There's a difference between having a wealthy benefactor and a good benefactor. In lots of sports there are examples of guys with money who have taken a sports club backwards. Out of all the sports I follow, IMO Simon Moran is the best model of a sporting benefactor because
1 - he is low profile and keeps out of the limelight (ie he hasn't bought the sports club to boost his own image)
2 - by him buying a majority share the season after we moved into the new stadium he guaranteed that the stadium profits could go back into the club rather than in the pockets of Greenalls or another major shareholder, this made the revenue streams a lot better for us
3 - he had the resources and the willingness to invest, at the time when we had just moved into the new stadium to capture some excitement around the town with a big push, bringing on board international players to prove we were serious
4 - he didn't bail out after the first few seasons of underachievement
5 - he's a promoter, which means he's good at networking and bringing people on board, his networking ability is why we got Andrew Johns here and I'm sure its been why we've made several other major signings like Morley, Monaghan etc
Too many benefactors in sport are a negative influence and clubs just have to weigh up the positives of the cash they put in against the negatives of their meddling. For us Simon Moran has been a very positive influence even over and above the cash he has put in, so I would say yes he is an example of the impact a really good sporting benefactor can have on a club. In many decades to come when people are looking at the history of Warrington RL I have no doubt that Simon Moran will be remembered in the same terms as Brian Bevan for contribution to Warrington RLFC.'"
You are Simon Moran i claim my free season ticket
No but seriously a good post
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"You can't use Warrington as a good example of what can be achieved through franchising, Catalans and Hull KR are good examples of what can be achieved through franchising.
The story for us is partly the stadium and partly (the larger part) about the benefactor.
There's a difference between having a wealthy benefactor and a good benefactor. In lots of sports there are examples of guys with money who have taken a sports club backwards. Out of all the sports I follow, IMO Simon Moran is the best model of a sporting benefactor because
1 - he is low profile and keeps out of the limelight (ie he hasn't bought the sports club to boost his own image)
2 - by him buying a majority share the season after we moved into the new stadium he guaranteed that the stadium profits could go back into the club rather than in the pockets of Greenalls or another major shareholder, this made the revenue streams a lot better for us
3 - he had the resources and the willingness to invest, at the time when we had just moved into the new stadium to capture some excitement around the town with a big push, bringing on board international players to prove we were serious
4 - he didn't bail out after the first few seasons of underachievement
5 - he's a promoter, which means he's good at networking and bringing people on board, his networking ability is why we got Andrew Johns here and I'm sure its been why we've made several other major signings like Morley, Monaghan etc
Too many benefactors in sport are a negative influence and clubs just have to weigh up the positives of the cash they put in against the negatives of their meddling. For us Simon Moran has been a very positive influence even over and above the cash he has put in, so I would say yes he is an example of the impact a really good sporting benefactor can have on a club. In many decades to come when people are looking at the history of Warrington RL I have no doubt that Simon Moran will be remembered in the same terms as Brian Bevan for contribution to Warrington RLFC.'"
Excellent that Sally. Just wish I'd done it.
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| Pre HJ days, Warrington was up the creek without a paddle. Decrepid ground, falling attendances, in debt etc, until Warrington borough council bought the ground.
Tescos had been trying to " get in" to Warrington for years, and every application was knocked back. 1 day, Tesco turned around and said to WBC," let us build a store on the old Tetley Walker site". WBC refused on hygiene grounds saying, " the land was too contaminated to build a food store." Sometime later Tesco came back and said, " Let us build that store and we will build you a new stadium". Suddenly the ground was not so contaminated.
It's very easy to feel sympathy for Wakefield, as we could very easily have been in that very same situation.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"You would be at the bottom of Super League but there would be little justification for getting rid of Warrington, despite the lack of youth production, the low crowds, the poor results and the lack of money.
It's amazing you ever got into Super League in the first place.
Warrington's transformation is perhaps the most glowing example of what can be achieved through franchising, or is it just an example of what can be achieved with the help of a wealthy benefactor?'"
Yes i was there when we were in the doldrums... Not everyone is like you though gloryhunting when Saints were sweeping the board....
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"You can't use Warrington as a good example of what can be achieved through franchising, Catalans and Hull KR are good examples of what can be achieved through franchising.
The story for us is partly the stadium and partly (the larger part) about the benefactor.
There's a difference between having a wealthy benefactor and a good benefactor. In lots of sports there are examples of guys with money who have taken a sports club backwards. Out of all the sports I follow, IMO Simon Moran is the best model of a sporting benefactor because
1 - he is low profile and keeps out of the limelight (ie he hasn't bought the sports club to boost his own image)
2 - by him buying a majority share the season after we moved into the new stadium he guaranteed that the stadium profits could go back into the club rather than in the pockets of Greenalls or another major shareholder, this made the revenue streams a lot better for us
3 - he had the resources and the willingness to invest, at the time when we had just moved into the new stadium to capture some excitement around the town with a big push, bringing on board international players to prove we were serious
4 - he didn't bail out after the first few seasons of underachievement
5 - he's a promoter, which means he's good at networking and bringing people on board, his networking ability is why we got Andrew Johns here and I'm sure its been why we've made several other major signings like Morley, Monaghan etc
Too many benefactors in sport are a negative influence and clubs just have to weigh up the positives of the cash they put in against the negatives of their meddling. For us Simon Moran has been a very positive influence even over and above the cash he has put in, so I would say yes he is an example of the impact a really good sporting benefactor can have on a club. In many decades to come when people are looking at the history of Warrington RL I have no doubt that Simon Moran will be remembered in the same terms as Brian Bevan for contribution to Warrington RLFC.'"
He also likes to actually watch the game rather than some management at clubs (RL, RU and Wendy) who simple spend all afternoon/night in the hospitality suites.
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| WBC was also very clever in that they drew up a completely watertight contract with Tescos, who have an excellent in house legal team which has on a number of occasions found loopholes allowing them to back out of similar projects once the store has been built.
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| How much did the stadium cost to build? Although the deal saved us, Tesco still got the better end of the deal. That store could probably pay our yearly salary cap within a week.
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| ims, it was between £11-13 million.
A rough estimate for a new stadium used to be roughly £1m per 1000 seats, unless it was bent and corrupt like Wembley, which worked out at something like £10m per 1000 seats.
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| Quote ="Live Wired"1 day, Tesco turned around and said to WBC," let us build a store on the old Tetley Walker site". WBC refused on hygiene grounds saying, " the land was too contaminated to build a food store." Sometime later Tesco came back and said, " Let us build that store and we will build you a new stadium". Suddenly the ground was not so contaminated.
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The land was not 'too contaminated' - all land (within reason) can be remediated and made safe - the key issue was it was not in the town centre - obviously the benefits of the stadium were a major factor in the council permitting the application (although it still got called in by the SoS for the inquiry).
Quote ="Roddy B"How much did the stadium cost to build? Although the deal saved us, Tesco still got the better end of the deal. That store could probably pay our yearly salary cap within a week.'"
I seem to remember it cost Tesco about £10mill to build - they handed over a shell to us and we were responsibile for fitting it out (offices, carpets, changing rooms, etc.). Presume the fit out could have easily cost another million or so.
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| Do you own your stadium or is it rented off Warrington council
Just wondering if that swayed the decision as it would be a nice financial asset for the council. Rather than just allowing tesco to give it to the club
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon" Simon Moran
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6. He's a lifelong fan. At one of his rare public speaking appearances, Squadbuilder a few years back, I remember someone asking him (was it Padders or Wires 71?) if he'd still be there if the club lost its Super League place. He just smiled and said "I would. Would you?".
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| It's our ground. If it were owned by the council we would be in the position that leigh are now in, paying an excessive rent and getting no income from the ground. As it is we get income from the NHS renting space underneath one of the stands for a Physio Unit. All four stands are sponsored, we get income from the naming rights, private boxes, and we even have our own water source, all of which either generates money or saves cost.
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| Quote ="The All New Chester Wire"6. He's a lifelong fan. At one of his rare public speaking appearances, Squadbuilder a few years back, I remember someone asking him (was it Padders or Wires 71?) if he'd still be there if the club lost its Super League place. He just smiled and said "I would. Would you?".'"
It did tickle me that comment.
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| Sorry
Thought it was owned by Warrington sports holding
And the warrington rlfc were tenants
Must be my mistake x
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| To the original poster;
Irrespective wether Tesco had a shop already in the town, a new ground would have been built anyway, and ims, did'nt Warrington boriough council knock back the 1st proposal of a ground?
Full marks to the club for getting a water-tight agreement considering Tescos far from transparent dealings. Heiress, Dame shirley Porter makes for interesting reading...
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| Quote ="Live Wired"To the original poster;
Irrespective wether Tesco had a shop already in the town, a new ground would have been built anyway, and ims, did'nt Warrington boriough council knock back the 1st proposal of a ground?
Full marks to the club for getting a water-tight agreement considering Tescos far from transparent dealings. Heiress, Dame shirley Porter makes for interesting reading...'"
Really? Who would have stumped up the cash for land purchase and stadium build?
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| Quote ="Rolls Royce"Sorry
Thought it was owned by Warrington sports holding
And the warrington rlfc were tenants
Must be my mistake x'"
Nice smart-alec attempt but just shows poster's absolute zilch understanding of how companies structure themselves and makes himself to look the "I've got an axe to grind" busy-body.
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| Quote ="Rolls Royce"Do you own your stadium or is it rented off Warrington council
Just wondering if that swayed the decision as it would be a nice financial asset for the council. Rather than just allowing tesco to give it to the club'"
How could we rent a stadium of a council who has no ownership of the land?
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| Quote ="The All New Chester Wire"6. He's a lifelong fan. At one of his rare public speaking appearances, Squadbuilder a few years back, I remember someone asking him (was it Padders or Wires 71?) if he'd still be there if the club lost its Super League place. He just smiled and said "I would. Would you?".'"
I deliberately didn't include the part about him being a fan because there are other sports owners who are lifelong fans of clubs and it doesn't always help although I take the point its more likely to secure loyalty from an owner than if he was an American football franchise owner looking to extend his empire with another sport.
We are all lifelong fans on here but I bet most of us would have made a big hash of the club if we'd owned it. If I had Simon Moran's money and bought the club in 2004 then by 2006 I would have probably sacked Cullen, transfer listed Briers, got rid of Bridge because I didn't rate him, spent all my life savings on getting Hanley in as coach and built a statue of Martin Gleeson at the HJ.
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