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| His method to Wigan was a kick to us but he pulled on a Wire shirt and give it his all when he did.
That makes him a Wire and #onceawirealwaysawire so I want him to go so far as to wear a primrose and blue tie against Wigan.
Come on Andy show us that.
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| If I can remember correctly. ..at the player role of honour just prior to the great Bill Shanklands passing, Andy Gregory attended.
His name and entrance on the Wilderspool pitch were met by a few groans.
Does anyone remember that day?
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"His method to Wigan was a kick to us but he pulled on a Wire shirt and give it his all when he did.
That makes him a Wire and #onceawirealwaysawire so I want him to go so far as to wear a primrose and blue tie against Wigan.
Come on Andy show us that.'"
Whatever happened between Andy and any of his previous clubs for me doesn't deserve a personal attack on his character , by calling him a Second class human being .He once told me the only move he regretted was to Leeds and that was because he didn't do the club justice in playing for them .I went to the GF with him last year and I know he never refused any Fans from any club , Photos or Autographs stopped to talk with everyone ,and had time for everyone .
Well all make mistakes in our lives , I know ive made a few , it doesn't make me a bad bloke though , I know its the Wire past players who have invited him on Thursday night not the Wigan one , so he may wear Wire colours , lifes to short to bear grudges over Sport .Charlie knows .Im not a Wiganer either , im a Leyther through and through , a Chris Hill fan .
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| Quote ="charlie caroli"Whatever happened between Andy and any of his previous clubs for me doesn't deserve a personal attack on his character , by calling him a Second class human being
.He once told me the only move he regretted was to Leeds and that was because he didn't do the club justice in playing for them .I went to the GF with him last year and I know he never refused any Fans from any club , Photos or Autographs stopped to talk with everyone ,and had time for everyone .
Well all make mistakes in our lives , I know ive made a few , it doesn't make me a bad bloke though , I know its the Wire past players who have invited him on Thursday night not the Wigan one , so he may wear Wire colours , lifes to short to bear grudges over Sport .Charlie knows .Im not a Wiganer either , im a Leyther through and through , a Chris Hill fan .'"
Wow wow wow....I hope your not saying I endorsed calling him a 2nd rate human being.
Far from it.
I've give him good rap only questioning the moral issue of his route to be at Wigan via Warrington, of which he openly admits.
Fair play for not hiding it.
It's slightly warming to learn he almost thought about taking on the greater challenge of turning a average team into champions as opposed to joining the Wigan dream team already rooted in success.
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| Truth is everyone is hated by someone.
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| I'm Mr popularity at work and i lost a good few people on facebook of late, including my mum.
Being popular is overrated anyway
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| AS Homer Simpson once said, to be popular, you have to work hard and be nice every day, but to be hated, you dont have to do anything.
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| I work very hard on being hated thank you
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| I'm going to retract my post and replace with
Simple. It could be argued AG was a first class player but did not cover himself in glory at Warrington.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"Wow wow wow....I hope your not saying I endorsed calling him a 2nd rate human being.
Far from it.
I've give him good rap only questioning the moral issue of his route to be at Wigan via Warrington, of which he openly admits.
Fair play for not hiding it.
It's slightly warming to learn he almost thought about taking on the greater challenge of turning a average team into champions as opposed to joining the Wigan dream team already rooted in success.'"
Far from it RD , im just think Wires 71 has done the right thing , we all have our opinions on players and their playing ability , but unless you Really know them its a mistake knocking them , even if you know them it isn't worth it , Wire2 71 I think you are a decent bloke .Andy has admitted to me a few times how he has made mistakes he regrets in the Past , but haven't we all ?
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| Quote ="charlie caroli"Far from it RD , im just think Wires 71 has done the right thing , we all have our opinions on players and their playing ability , but unless you Really know them its a mistake knocking them , even if you know them it isn't worth it , Wire2 71 I think you are a decent bloke
.Andy has admitted to me a few times how he has made mistakes he regrets in the Past , but haven't we all ?'"
I am pleased that that he has admitted to you that he has made mistakes. He should tell that to the Warrington fans who idolised him and who he treated with disdain, instead of compounding the situation with the nonsense he spoke in Pint Size and on TV.
I am sure that, if he did this, the vast majority of fans would forgive and forget, or maybe he just does not care whether they do or not.
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| Quote ="wireone"I am pleased that that he has admitted to you that he has made mistakes. He should tell that to the Warrington fans who idolised him and who he treated with disdain, instead of compounding the situation with the nonsense he spoke in Pint Size and on TV.
I am sure that, if he did this, the vast majority of fans would forgive and forget, or maybe he just does not care whether they do or not.'"
I have to admit , I haven't read Pint Size , thouroughly just a few pages here and there ,so I cant comment on this ,at the moment I know Andy is very happy with his life , and deserves his Testimonial ,he doesn't read Forums like this , but he does care about RL fans from all clubs , believe me he is a genuine Bloke .Me being a Leyther though I rated John Woods as THE best all round Rugby player I have ever seen , you at Wire didn't get to see him at his best for you , it was the same when he returned to Leigh , a shadow of himself , but still a great player , and again a very nice and very modest man .
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| Quote ="charlie caroli"I have to admit , I haven't read Pint Size , thouroughly just a few pages here and there ,so I cant comment on this ,at the moment I know Andy is very happy with his life , and deserves his Testimonial ,he doesn't read Forums like this , but he does care about RL fans from all clubs , believe me he is a genuine Bloke .Me being a Leyther though I rated John Woods as THE best all round Rugby player I have ever seen , you at Wire didn't get to see him at his best for you , it was the same when he returned to Leigh , a shadow of himself , but still a great player , and again a very nice and very modest man .'"
John Woods was a great player but a different kind of player to Andy Gregory. John Woods would do individually great things whereas Gregory could create the space and the pass for others to shine. He could courageously take the ball to the line like a pocket battleship and had such a variety of disguised superbly timed passes that would put others through the gap. I have to agree with him that a combination of himself and a superb running second rower like Mark Roberts were lethal. Both Woods and Gregory were great players and in some respects Woods was superior, but if you wanted someone to organise and orchestrate your team, Gregory, at his peak, was one of the best I have seen in sixty years of watching Rugby League.
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| Quote ="wireone"John Woods was a great player but a different kind of player to Andy Gregory. John Woods would do individually great things whereas Gregory could create the space and the pass for others to shine. He could courageously take the ball to the line like a pocket battleship and had such a variety of disguised superbly timed passes that would put others through the gap. I have to agree with him that a combination of himself and a superb running second rower like Mark Roberts were lethal. Both Woods and Gregory were great players and in some respects Woods was superior, but if you wanted someone to organise and orchestrate your team, Gregory, at his peak, was one of the best I have seen in sixty years of watching Rugby League.'"
I agree that Andy and Woods were 2 totally different players , Andy was the 2nd best scrum half I have seen , behind only Murph , as you say he could organise defences and attacks , and set up the moves , but Woody , had everything , he could score tries from nothing , anywhere on the field , had speed , a swerve and sidestep to die for , he could tackle , kick goals , and tactically kick for on field positions .maybe not the best trainer , but IF he had played for Wire , Wigan , or Saints in his Pomp , it would be frightening what he would have done .
Andy and Woods as Halves in their Pomp that would have been something .
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| Quote ="charlie caroli"I agree that Andy and Woods were 2 totally different players , Andy was the 2nd best scrum half I have seen , behind only Murph , as you say he could organise defences and attacks , and set up the moves , but Woody , had everything , he could score tries from nothing , anywhere on the field , had speed , a swerve and sidestep to die for , he could tackle , kick goals , and tactically kick for on field positions .maybe not the best trainer , but IF he had played for Wire , Wigan , or Saints in his Pomp , it would be frightening what he would have done .
Andy and Woods as Halves in their Pomp
that would have been something .'"
I agree totally their qualities would have complemented each other ideally and they would have been a formidable combination.
With all due respect to Leigh, when Woods played for them, they were not exactly breaking any pots and I was always surprised that one of the moneybags clubs did not lure him away sooner than they did.
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| Quote ="wireone"I agree totally their qualities would have complemented each other ideally and they would have been a formidable combination.
With all due respect to Leigh, when Woods played for them, they were not exactly breaking any pots and I was always surprised that one of the moneybags clubs did not lure him away sooner than they did.'"
I may have mentioned this before , but Like me ,John Woods is a Butts Bridger ,who loved playing for Leigh , still lives round the corner from me , John loved Leigh and didn't want to leave when Bradford signed him ,he did say he would NEVER play for Wigan , had no time for them ,and I think when he came to Wire his career was winding down , I think the same happened with Drummond .At Leigh we were probably not a fashionable club , but Woody , Drummond and Donlan enjoyed it here .
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| Quote ="charlie caroli"I may have mentioned this before , but Like me ,John Woods is a Butts Bridger ,who loved playing for Leigh , still lives round the corner from me , John loved Leigh and didn't want to leave when Bradford signed him ,he did say he would NEVER play for Wigan , had no time for them ,and I think when he came to Wire his career was winding down , I think the same happened with Drummond .At Leigh we were probably not a fashionable club , but Woody , Drummond and Donlan enjoyed it here .'"
After reading some of your other posts on other Forums, I'd have to say on this topic "Charlie Knows"
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| i'd say
"charli's too close to be impartial"
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| Charlie talks in the 3rd person one of the things I hate most in life
Yed really hates that
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| Plus, the correct spelling is - Cairoli
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| Quote ="Bobby_Peru"Plus, the correct spelling is - Cairoli
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Bobby are you trying to tell me how to spell my name ?Im a CAROLI from Napoli ,the great man Cairoli was from Milan , big difference, I like Minestrone , the great man wasn't a fan , Charlie knows .
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| I thought you were from Leigh
I stand corrected,.. said the man in the built up shoe
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| I noticed at that the Wigan legend line up last week, Andy Gregory didn't wear a Wigan tie!
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| Quote ="Bobby_Peru"I thought you were from Leigh
I stand corrected,.. said the man in the built up shoe'"
Charlie now lives at Butts Bridge in Leigh , for my sins , my Daughter now lives in Warrington , she is engaged to a Wire Fan and has been to a few games , though she will be attending the Leigh game on Sunday , we all have our crosses to bear , though as I have said , im a big Chris Hill fan , and have met Mickey Higham many times .
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