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| Quote ="Monmouth Wire"But not for long with the current b'lends left in charge on their own without the bottomless pit of Mr M's largesse.
I won't criticise him for putting his money where his mouth is but it would be interesting to know how many of the decisions over the last two years were his exclusively or the boards and conversely whether either party questioned anything that was suggested by the other side at anytime - checks and balances so to speak. I don't want him to go, I just want him to be advised correctly as we are in a world of $hit at the moment.'"
With 73% of the shares (and I assume voting rights) Simon Moran [iis[/i the board.
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| Quote ="rising damp"i am sorry but i would rather do without his cash injections and have somebody who has got the balls to stand up and speak for the fans ......... dont get me wrong i aint aving a dig at SM and appreciate what he has done for the club'"
Director job advert:
Must have balls...........cash not necessary
Apply to Rigsby.....Head of appreciative fans department?
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| Quote ="Wires71"With 73% of the shares (and I assume voting rights) Simon Moran [iis[/ithe board.'"
He doesn't strike me as the autocratic type.
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| Quote ="tino"the guy is awesome i can't believe anyone is questioning him, he is one person in the club who is not a problem
for me he will go down as a legend, a bit like jack walker at blackburn, all we need is someone to guide the onfield performance and we will be fine'"
This is a wind up right.
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| ok lets go back in time let simon moran grow up as a widnes fan come back to the present day who is in superleague who is in nl1?
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| downtothewire message boards achievements to date:
alienate players from fans: check
alienate coach from fans: check
alienate millionaire owner willing to throw money at the club: new task for march 2009, in progress
brilliant
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| Quote ="Wires71"With 73% of the shares (and I assume voting rights) Simon Moran [iis[/i the board.'"
Understood, but a board can help by offering an opinion on the effects of decisions - unless of course they decide to ride the gravy train and just go with the flow while taking the money.
With what's happened over the last two years either the board have been making all the decisions and should therefore be lined up against a wall or they have simply rubber stamped the major shareholder's requests without complaint.
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| He now's nothing about the game and the money he has thrown as been pretty much wasted.
Id rather have somebody who wants to run the club as a business and not as a fan.
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| Quote ="Latchford Wolvesfan"He now's nothing about the game and the money he has thrown as been pretty much wasted.
Id rather have somebody who wants to run the club as a business and not as a fan.'"
This is despite hime being a highlt successful businessman in his chsosen field. I'm pretty sure he has an idea of how to make a business work.
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| Quote ="Latchford Wolvesfan"He now's nothing about the game and the money he has thrown as been pretty much wasted.
Id rather have somebody who wants to run the club as a business and not as a fan.'"
He's ponied up the money when it was wanted/needed so I think it's rough to complain but I do see where you're coming from. Thing is, he strikes me as a bloke who just wanted to help out but something, somewhere got away from him control wise - I think he's been steam rollered into doing things by others in key decision making positions. You'll gather that I want him to stay, I just want the rest involved to clear off or shape up.
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| I don't think anyone at all is questioning how good Simon Moran is for the club or how commited he is, the man is a fan first and foremost who put his money where his mouth was when we where in the .
Remember it was Gatcliffe who sold all the shares that he had been given to Simon and pocketed a tidy little sum in the process.
I think where the questions arise is because you can see that the board have made a few cockup's, some minor and some major the biggest being the rash appointment of Jimmy Lowes, not allowing the coach to deal with underacheiving or misbehaving players beacuse they didn't want the bad publicity and the News of the Wolds silence being bought again to avoid adverse publicity.
They wouldn't need to worry about adverse publicity if they made better decisions in the first place on who they where going to employ.
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| Quote ="getdownmonkeyman"This is despite hime being a highlt successful businessman in his chsosen field. I'm pretty sure he has an idea of how to make a business work.'"
I'm not questioning his business knowledge, im telling people he now's nothing about the game.
He runs the club like a fan would, throwing money at it to paper over the cracks, becoming friends with to many people and letting them run riot at the club.
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| Quote ="Latchford Wolvesfan"I'm not questioning his business knowledge, im telling people he now's nothing about the game.
He runs the club like a fan would, throwing money at it to paper over the cracks, becoming friends with to many people and letting them run riot at the club.'"
Agree completely - they have been taking the proverbial in my view. He paid for the train set, they've been busy wrecking it.
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| How would you know he knows nothing about the game. He has watched the sport for over 20 years, sits in the board room and has had one on ones with coaches and some of the best players in the business who I suspect have been very insightful.
I am afraid you are being very shortsighted if any of us where in a similar position I am sure we would all make what in others oppinions are mistakes.
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| Quote ="Latchford Wolvesfan"I'm not questioning his business knowledge, im telling people he now's nothing about the game.
He runs the club like a fan would, throwing money at it to paper over the cracks, becoming friends with to many people and letting them run riot at the club.'"
Is having a great knowledge of RL a pre-requisite for being a majority share holder?
What does McManus know about RL? What does Caddick know about RL?
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| Quote ="Geordie"How would you know he knows nothing about the game. He has watched the sport for over 20 years, sits in the board room and has had one on ones with coaches and some of the best players in the business who I suspect have been very insightful.
I am afraid you are being very shortsighted if any of us where in a similar position I am sure we would all make what in others oppinions are mistakes.'"
I know he has a very limited knowledge of the game, im not telling you how i know because i can do without the name calling and abuse that i would receive for doing so.
At the end of the day he is the money man and that's all, for to me i want more than that, i would even do without the money.
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| Quote ="Latchford Wolvesfan"I know he has a very limited knowledge of the game, im not telling you how i know because i can do without the name calling and abuse that i would receive for doing so.
At the end of the day he is the money man and that's all and to me i want more than that.'"
Let me get this right. Your source knows the inside of Moran's head? Plus, you want a wealthy benefactor who has the RL knowledge of Wayne Bennett?
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| This may be a naive question, but other than stumping up the transfer fee for Gleeson, where has SM been ploughing his money into the club?
The Andrew Johns deal paid for itself, and as far as I am aware any new signings have come off contract so transfer fees haven't been necessary. We are running under the salary cap, so the club is paying wages out of the money the club is making.
This thread reads as if SM is making every decision at the club, and paying all costs personally himself!
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| Quote ="Geordie"How would you know he knows nothing about the game. He has watched the sport for over 20 years, sits in the board room and has had one on ones with coaches and some of the best players in the business who I suspect have been very insightful.
I am afraid you are being very shortsighted if any of us where in a similar position I am sure we would all make what in others oppinions are mistakes.'"
agree...............without moran the club would not have the infrastructure it has today, I would prefer him involved with the club.
I am sure they are thinking long and hard about the situation knee jirk decisions have been the problem with this board, I hope they see fit to plan a long term and sustainable outcome to replace lowes and move on
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| Quote ="getdownmonkeyman"Let me get this right. Your source knows the inside of Moran's head? Plus, you want a wealthy benefactor who has the RL knowledge of Wayne Bennett?'"
I haven't got a source and i said i would even do without the money.
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| Quote ="Thelonius"This may be a naive question, but other than stumping up the transfer fee for Gleeson, where has SM been ploughing his money into the club?
The Andrew Johns deal paid for itself, and as far as I am aware any new signings have come off contract so transfer fees haven't been necessary. We are running under the salary cap, so the club is paying wages out of the money the club is making.
This thread reads as if SM is making every decision at the club, and paying all costs personally himself!'"
Wood and Westwood, Gleeson & Carvell.
The fundamental that seems to have passed everybody by, is without Moran, there would be no need for this forum.
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| Quote ="Latchford Wolvesfan"I haven't got a source and i said i would even do without the money.'"
So you are saying, you personally know that Moran has no knowledge of RL?
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| blackburn had a fan who also happened to be a millionaire injecting cash, now i don't know how he worked on the board but i do know that consistency on the field and eventually the premiership title didn't come until kenny dalglish was made manager
so, for me, moran isn't the problem, he is the only possible solution...that is, him getting tony smith (or equivalently good person with proven record) to come on board as manager and then all parties (fans/board) having patience and giving him time to build a team...i don't think the board being patient will be a problem given there track record haha!
i thought giving jimmy some time was the right way to go but if he has been threatening opposing fans then he should be sacked and if there is so much disharmony in the camp as is suggested on here then obviously he is not right
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| I know emotions are running a little high at the moment and people are getting extremely upset about the on-field performances, but to come on here and have a pop at moran simply beggars belief.
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| Quote ="getdownmonkeyman"So you are saying, you personally know that Moran has no knowledge of RL?'"
I'm saying i have come to the opinion that Simon Moran has a limited knowledge of Rugby League due to conversations that i have been involved in within his presence on a number of occasions.
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