That may be a justified post Yed if Wigan wasn't so poor themselves!

bit harsh, remember they are champions, as the Wigan fans reminded us last night.

That may be a justified post TF if Warrington wasn't Grand Finalists themselves.

The biggest problem we have is that our experienced players, who need to be setting examples, are playing absolutely dreadful - The likes of Glenn Riley and Laithwaite must feel completely lacking of confidence, simply because they are seeing the senior players under-performing and it will undoubtedly impact the youngsters' own form.

We have two centres who are stealing a living, along with a scrum half who shouldn't be even playing at this level if that's all he can do on a pitch (very little).

I was never a massive fan of Nathan Wood, but Myler needs to watch a few videos of him, just to show what can be done even if you aren't the most naturally talented player in the world.

I would describe our performance as frustrating rather than woeful. We weren't far off, wigans defence was very good but we definitely didn't ask enough questions of them and bombed some good position with a lack of structure. Defence was ok forwards fronted up very well too.

I'd describe it as garbage and I think some people are deluding themselves. SOME of the forwards fronted up well, some were abysmal, defence was good in places, some players are defending like strangers.

Finally the attack. We didn't bomb anything - that implies we made half chances and blew them by forcing passes or ignoring overlaps. We didn't - we engineered nothing even with a wealth of possession and territory in the final 20 against a tiring, average team.

and to only score 4 that is woeful,,and it came gift wrapped from a wigan pass not of our own doing

Spot on - The forwards actually made good yards, probably more than Wigan, yet after 3 good drives our half backs were nowhere to be seen to be able to create and bring our backs into the game, whereas Wigan did have the talent to at least bring their three quarters into the game on the back of some decent ball.

If Myler/Ratchford/O'Brien is our half back choice for the full season, then we are in for a very mediocre time.

And if our only threat from Myler is a bomb, then for Christ sake attempt to get some snow on it!

Chris bridge bombed 2 chances in the last 10 when despite the fact that we had been at best dysfunctional in attack we were still in with a chance. We had good territory after Russell came on, why Myler waited until then to put some decent kicks in I will never know. Like I said before very frustrating to me.

I'll take your word for it. I must have been examining some interesting pocket fluff or wondering when I last descaled the kettle during these half-chances.

Must have been.

Stealing a living certainly applies to Mr Asotasi.Not really an NRL watcher so can someone enlighten me on his reputation over in Aus as it looks as though he's on a holiday from what i've seen.

Anyone who has watched Asotasi closely will know that his last good season was about 4 years ago. It is an awful signing.

Noticed that Atkins retweeted a group photo of a team outing to a Manchester restaurant yesterday. Couldn't see Asotasi there, which just makes me think he's not really bought into what team spirit our club has...

Perhaps they ate him?

Asotasi will be there, there are quite a few of the team not on the photo, but who would of been there. It was team orders for them to go.

And anyone who's watched Wires for more than 5 years will know that this is far from the worse set of players we've had, and far from the most inept performances too, and will know to give the squad time to develop after the loss of several senior players.

We've been waiting for Myler to develop for about 5 years and he is still absolute gash......

Maybe he took the photo

I love these anecdotes about players being seen out and about and what it means about the team.

It's one of the things from the good old days that seemed to disappear in our boring days of major finals.

I'm hoping that if we do go downhill a bit now, at least we might have some good stories on here. Maybe some fights in town or stories that some of the players have had a bust up. Some gossip about who is doing who's missus. Or one of the Aussie players is homesick, Myler is being tapped up by Ratchford to go to Salford or whatever, Chris Hill is going to Saracens, etc

.... You have to go on Facebook for that sort of tittle-tattle now - There's one guy on there who, after every poor performance, likes to entertain folks with tales of how he has indulged in various forms of social entertainment with the Warrington squad in the toilets of Stockton Heath pubs.... The great thing is the bloke posts all this on the official Warrington FB page under his real name - I guess he isn't quite upto speed on the libel laws? ....

Agree with this post completely!

I'm 100% on youth development but I think if we're all honest with ourselves, having known that we were losing the collective experience of Hodgson, Briers, Morley and even Carvell during pre-season, the alarm bell sounds probably echoed into as far as Asia from here.

We knew this season was coming, and as frustrating as it can be, I hope the fans don't throw the towel in. It's up to Tony Smith to seriously prove his ability as a coach, as it is being tested now more than it probably ever has.

Since his injury in 2010 he was half the player he used to be that saw him sign for big money from Canterbury in 2007 and then gain the NZ and Souths captaincy from 2008. He missed half the season and the 2010 WC and then got the same injury in 2012.

2004-2009 was his peak and he has severely dropped off from that now.

No reason, in this competition that he can't improve on where he's started off though. He isn't my biggest worry so far this season.