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| Quote ="fez1"Jon Wells analysis of the defensive frailities on Sky was spot on.
The issue was Duftys organization of the line - a key full back attribute.
Loads of people criticize the Sky presenters but I've watched really good analysis by both Phil Clarke and Jon Wells'"
Was interesting to watch that and today I made a point of watching him, for large parts of it he was same as last week. He was often too central and of no help to the edge defence which was alluded to by Powell in an earlier interview, he was not blaming Dufty but the pictures told the story. Someone on here said he looked disinterested but would then pop up in attack. Would not pick him over Brett Hodgson.
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| Dufty did not look a happy man at all today, got more involved as the game went on but still very quiet in general.
I was made up Green got to actually play properly today, and i thought he did a very good job. Bullock getting back to his form before his injury which is good. Vaughan, don't need to say much at all, he puts it in week in week out. Dudson had i thought his best game for us, nothing special but just ran the ball up hard and tackled well. Not a world beater but if he can keep putting in grafting performances it's what we need.
Kasiano played well today but as always i prefer him coming off the bench to add punch rather than starting, but he does a good job either way.
Harrison is just a worker, he doesn't do anything special but works hard.
Currie had a good game, Thewlis was great, Wrench had a decent game and the more he plays the better he should get.
Not a great game from us in the second half but the age old a wins a win will do for me at this stage.
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| Ooooh....a marketing thread
As long as Hughes is paying the bills then sticking posts in the ground is the only marketing strategy. There seemed to be little last year other than tube surfing with Buck and Dusty.......it's almost like they watch Field of Dreams every January to motivate themselves.
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| Errr, the broncos board is that way *points*
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| It looks like there were some lessons learnt from previous games yesterday. Recently teams have easily been able to work their way down field and end a set with an attacking kick that we typically struggle to deal with. That was not the case yesterday and our forwards put a lot of effort into restricting metres and getting bodies in the tackle to drive them back and control the ruck. This often brought Currie and Harrison into the middle to assist and I think Watson and co spotted this and in the second half they tried to shift to the edges knowing that fatigue would set in and we would struggle to cover the edges.
It felt like at times it was just individual errors in our own half that gave Huddersfield their chances. Clark dropping the ball stone cold in the first half led to a try and on either one or two occasions Dufty spilling the ball led to tries.
We can't afford to gift possession this easily. until we regain that resilience in our goal line defence we need to keep teams away from our 20m area. Last week we gifted Hull the territory from Kick offs. Today it was just spilling the ball.
I heard in commentary that Lucas Green is highly rated by the club, if that is the case why has he not been trusted to come off the bench?
I thought he did ok. Some strong carries and he wasn't a weak link in defence.
I like Dufty and want him to do well here and people make mistakes but I just wish he would have the same enthusiasm when defending as when he is attacking. Standing still and watching what happens and then jogging along the try line when Huddersfield are shifting the ball. There is a really good player in there and it is frustrating to watch when we are defending sometimes.
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| Well first and foremost we needed the win. Thewlis's try was superb, Walker was my MoM as I thought he had a very good game. Ratchford's 5 from 5 proved decisive, and good to see Lucas Green get game time. On the downside, we kept putting ourselves under pressure by gifting possession through errors, after we had taken control of the game with a 2 to 3 score lead. We've conceded 16 tries in our last 3 games, which is not good enough - our left side defence was particularly bad, yesterday. Williams's last play kicks yielded precious little for the majority of the game.
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| The centres (? second rowers) don't seem to offer much in defence or attack.
Huge gaps in the defensive line and falling off tackles.
In attack it seems its a kick on the 5th as there is no/limited structured attack on the 3rd/4th.
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| Atrocious 80min performance but at least we hung on to win. Defence in our 20 and attack in the opposition 20 is embarrassing. Thewlis, Williams, Wrench, Walker and Currie were all very good but Dufty and Ratchford need to be dropped even though the latter won us the match according to some on here with 5 kicks from in front of the posts. Need to see some improvement soon.
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| Wigan won’t be quaking in their boots seeing how bad our defence has become.Can see a mullering despite their own patchy spell.
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| I've just listened to Powell's post match comments on Sky. Seems that Williams was ill and did well to take to the field.
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| Quote ="just_browny"I've praised Ratchford's defence all year but no idea wtf was going on today, they targeted him and it kept working.'"
Part of the reason can be seen in the commentary on the condition of Williams going into the match.
Sometimes we're not privvy to everything that goes on in the camp - quite right too.
Yes Hudds capitalized on it - fair play to Fages in particular - and I was impressed that once they spotted the weakness they kept on targetting it.
Next week it will be interesting to see if the left edge is working like it has for a lot of this season.
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| Someone else mentioned Currie moving in field a lot more. That would have exposed Ratch too, especially if Williams was under the weather.
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| Kevin Naiqama was superb yesterday. When it's hot defences struggle to put the pressure on ... so he gets more good ball than normal. Hence so many soft tries.
Hope it's not hot next game v Wigan otherwise French & Field could have some fun.
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| Walker will captain Warrington one day I reckon. He's got all the attributes. He's aggressive and enthusiastic and mouthy without it ever boiling over.
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| Quote ="Wiremansam"Atrocious 80min performance but at least we hung on to win. Defence in our 20 and attack in the opposition 20 is embarrassing. Thewlis, Williams, Wrench, Walker and Currie were all very good but Dufty and Ratchford need to be dropped even though the latter won us the match according to some on here with 5 kicks from in front of the posts. Need to see some improvement soon.'"
I mentioned the 5 from 5 and Huddersfield 3 from 5 being crucial, which is a fact. There were 5 tries for each team, and as I pointed, out our defence is not good enough. I made no comment on whether the 5 goal kicks were enough to keep a shirt.
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| Quote ="Smiffy27"Kevin Naiqama was superb yesterday. When it's hot defences struggle to put the pressure on ... so he gets more good ball than normal. Hence so many soft tries.
Hope it's not hot next game v Wigan otherwise French & Field could have some fun.'"
We had Ashton and Thewlis, who are no slouches and we didn't get either one into space during the entire game. Thewlis did it all on his own. Yet, Huddersfield carved us open down our left with far too much ease.
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| Quote ="WireWireWire"Walker will captain Warrington one day I reckon. He's got all the attributes. He's aggressive and enthusiastic and mouthy without it ever boiling over.'"
I thought he spoke well on the Sky interview.
Yes I could see him as a future leader.
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| I might be getting soft in my old age, but I’m happy with that. We have lost those games so many times over the years, where we couldn’t stop the flow of momentum and got done at the end of the game.
Win it, fix up the little bits, move on. Big one next week
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| Quote ="MorePlaymakersNeeded"We had Ashton and Thewlis, who are no slouches and we didn't get either one into space during the entire game. Thewlis did it all on his own. Yet, Huddersfield carved us open down our left with far too much ease.'"
They seemed to but is it our left edge at fault or the fact that they have their two best players on that side.
So move our right edge players to the left ... would they have done any better?
Thewlis has scored a few solo tries now ...
I really can't see why he can't play half back or centre ... mind you I have not coached him ... but if I did I would soon find out.
If I met Powell (in the Wheatsheaf) that would be my second question.
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| Speaking of thewlis(this is a forced connection) sky were doing their usual waxing lyrical of other teams juniors, price and russell, mainly.
But completely ignored that the pair of them were totally at fault/ineffective for a couple of our tries.
Pryce showing no fb defensive nous whatsoever for the thewlis and walker tries
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| On 2nd viewing ...
We were unfortunate to have three tries chalked off for "tiny" fingertip touches which would have changed the game. In addition their final try was way forward but not given.
Naiqama, Facebook & Pryce (attacking on the right) where their attacking threat. Though we were easily undone on the left for the Cudjoe try in the first half.
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| did you see the sky preamble about matt dufty smiffy? thats actually worth a look
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| I did & very interesting. He does look as though he switches off a bit. Defence has to be a joint responsibility though as the FB can't be everywhere & he's going to get tied up in the tackle but the main organiser role is key.
He's not made as many long distance runs of late & he could do with one as he looks a bit short of confidence.
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| stupid quote button isn't working, the numbers thing does bare out, the cudjoe try seemed to be the same thing as what wells pointed out, yes we all blamed matautia or wrench at the game, but they did seem to be outnumbered by about 2 attackers, so there's something in this.
you're right though, he does look like he needs a confidence booster an arm round his shoulder, his attitude and body language stank when harrison didn't offload to him for williams try, everyone else ran through to celebrate, he stood there sulking.
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| By all accounts Mr Dufty is not just a glass half-empty kind of fella, for him the glass is completely empty and dirty to boot.
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