If you can make allowances for his hair, Ryan Papenhuyzen.

Going back in time, Phil Blake, Richard Henare, Jonathan Davies, Chris Sandow, Brian Johnson, Mark Roberts and others in the P&B.

First half Hull FC away, think he went off with a knock early doors in the 2nd half (or late 1st) and never really recovered, nor did we.

We never had him fully fit for the whole game at either Wembley, or Old Trafford. File Sandow in the burgeoning folder of what could have been.

So Leeds on tv tonite for a change

Leeds v saints will always be on TV though, I think the Huddersfield catalans game holds the biggest intrigue tonight. Unfortunately though Huddersfield home games never look great on sky, the stadium is too big really, good fans just not quite enough of them.

Be thankful it's not us.

Kasiano made one hell of a difference.
I hope out CEO is watching this game.

Not for long enough, RD.

I think Saints might win the double

They would win the treble with Winston Wolf as coach.

Saints will take some stopping in both competitions but how does Walmsley constantly get away with getting up from a tackle, walking over the first marker then pushing past the second one before playing the ball?

Wigan defended very well, and have some very good attacking options. It might have been a blessing that we were knocked out of the cup by Wakefield, as we'd have took a tonking this afternoon.

We shouldn't be in the position to need luck but the cup semi and final might help us.
If I have it right we play Wigan the week before the cup semi final and we play saints a week before the final.
If we can turn the oil tanker round quickly then we can hope that they rest some players and players dont want to pick up a ban / injury.
I know it is clutching at straws but at the moment it would have to be a miraculus transformation to expect a result against those 2 teams.

I would like to say i thought both games were very entertaining & good advertising for rugby league. Very pleased with the lack of niggle too.

Yes I commented to Mrs Smiffy27 on how clean the games were. It is much better when the clever players who get rid of the ball at the line don't take a clout (just) after passing it.

And again

Not sure when Disciplinary sit for these first round of the weekend games but Fash is in trouble.

I have this picture of Tony Smith saying in a Shooting Staresque manner, "players, I want to see those fingers"

Hull KR totally outplayed Hull's bigger pack in that second half.

I was expecting Hurrell to be awarded the try

He should have been awarded the try, when the same video referee gave the Batchelor try.

Reminded me of PG tips, do you know the ball is on my foot? It felt a bit like he's ruled two out, so has let that one go.

Even if he gets a ban he will not serve the ban until after the Wire game (according to Sky).

Sam Powell will no doubt cop a few games out for his horrible bit of work. When Wigan were at their worst, a few years back, he used to get away with all sorts of stuff. It makes me smile when someone on Sky comes up with "he's not a dirty player". In this case I would respond ...well he used to be a very naughty boy with his late low shots to the legs as third man in.

The game has really cleaned itself up.

Did anyone else switch off the game because of Sky's constant deification of everyone in a Stains shirt? It turns my stomach, it really does, they couldn't get much further up their backsides without Vaseline.

Hand up over Mr Snoodle, I did. I'm surprised the SKY commentary team aren't sponsored by Kleenex Man Size Tissues for every Saints game.