I feel everyone should at least have a chance to be honest and admit their mistakes (I did myself earlier in this thread), but it is hilarious when they refuse.

Guys... Northampton SAint is a bit of a plank but doesn't he have every right to change his mind after the resounding point made by Wire?

As much as we like to make fun of certain Wigan fans who change their mind on things when they are backs against the wall (the signing of Ben Cross being the sweetest) Northampton Saint was making a point about a team that had been dry bummed by Saints a few months ago and were looking wobbly for the first part of this year. The challenge was set (and he was partaking in a little bit of 'banter'- whatever he calls it) and after his team was thoroughly dismantled he changed his mind. Surely that is commendable.

Of course if he had just admitted that instead of still playing the bobby big balls, he would be more respectable. His bull about Saints pack and any other shreds of comfort are jsut that; comfort he has to make himself believe. Surely the bigger laughing stock would be if he still claimed that Saints were better than us and weren't still declining (which they really seem to be), maybe?

Oh and Northampton Saint, St Helens' pack isn't better than Warrington's. It was proven conclusively on Monday. Also, your reference to Playoff jitters. We only didn't show up the the playoffs ONCE. Last year we lost by a penalty to the eventual champions (and a team that destroyed you AGAIN at OT). As much as you'd like to attach the tag of bottlers to this WArrington team; 2 Challenge Cups and a League Leader's shield says you're full of e!

Fascinating.

I wasn't referring to your opinion on our team; it is of no value at all. It was more the fact that you were slagging us off as a group or supporters on your board then trying to engage in a debate on here. That's what's two faced. OK pumpkin?

And he seemed such a nice man at first as well !

Meanwhile, back to the thread ....

What about Tyke. I have to own up and say that at the start of the season I never really thought he would make the grade. But this season he has really pushed on and is a bit of a revelation. He still looks a bit light when he mixes it with the bigger forwards, but his speed and sidestep make him a dangerous player towards the end of the match when players are starting to get tired and gaps appear. He also works hard, and his defence is noticeably improving. A couple of people have mentioned him on this thread and with good reason, I think we have a really good player in the making.

Late(r) developer ? Or proof we have an excellent coaching set up ? Competition for a place bringing out the best ?

Late developer, and another reason why these academy proposals for next year stink.

Have we had the actual proposals yet, or are we still working with the outline, Rogues ?

And have Wigan actually agreed - I had heard you were going to go with Scorpions as a feeder ? I can not seem to find any info on the RFL site.

My lad has just accepted a scholarship at U15s and they are merged next season with the U16s. Not sure what will be gained by all this.

Agree totaly, a complete backward step by the RFL being forced through by clubs who seemingly don't want to invest in their youth set up.

If I were cynical, I would think the RFL want to destroy the youth set up of clubs like Wire inorder to level the playing field in SL.

tut, tut what a dreadful person I am.