You are making a complete fool of yourself, not for the first time.

I agree. It's embarrassing watching him try and take the higher ground. He's a complete and utter fool who should be banned off here, simply for his ignorance and level of maturity, or should that be lack of.

I post my opinion, it's a forum, this is the same opinion as most of RL Tomkins should have played. Not shocking that its wire fans defending Myler and Tony Smith is it



How about instead of throwing out insults, have a discussion with me like some of your nice fans do, if you don't like it tell me why, if you don't want to do that, don't post, it's pointless.

Go away you tool.

Yet again with the insults, why? I am trying to have a discussion.

But you can't string a sentance together to hit me back with some RL knowledge.

This page is what, 7 pages old, and you're asking people to sensibly discuss with you?

Nobody will debate properly with you if you keep having little snipes in your posts. You've shown, over the months, that you're unable to debate sensibly with our fans. You continually have little pops in your posts and often overexaggerate things to suit your arguments, which then often result in people being provoked into giving a harsh reply, you'll then go back to the Wigan board and gloat about your angling skills. Dead funny.

I think Tomkins deserves a place over McGuire, as I believe Tomkins is a 6, whereas Myler is a 7. Smith obviously rates McGuire over Tomkins, he's probably not the only person in the RL world who rates McGuire over Tomkins and he's not the only person who feels it's a little early to be playing two youngsters in the halves at this level.

I will ignore the first bit, your wrong though



Tomkins maybe does deserve a place over McGuire but we need McGuire in the team to organise and we all know what he can do.

Myler was put in the team to organise but this was not shown in the performance therefore his selection is not justifed and it was just an excuse by Tony Smith.

Say no more....

you have a point, ahhh well

Listen fella, i really cant be d "hitting you with some RL Knowledge" If your not happy about some insults on here then dont bother coming on the forum.

You know nothing at all.

Stop coming on here with your ing over Tomkins your making yourself look like a c[io[/ick

Have you noticed your the only Wigan fan who comes on here banging on about that Tomkins does Tomkins does that?

I did take a chill pill, I did watch the game and it seems I was still right. Go figure...

Quote ="Wire_85"You know nothing at all. Stop coming on here with your ing over Tomkins your making yourself look like a c[io[/ick Have you noticed your the only Wigan fan who comes on here banging on about that Tomkins does Tomkins does that?'" Quite a lot of Wigan fans have been on here debating the issue actually. Instead of saying I know nothing, back it up. I am saying that his defence was all over the place, poor positioning, didnt create much, did not organise.... and you disagree with this? Was he talking? Was he organising? Did he create lots? Did he get on the ball much? Just to top all this off viewtopic.php?t=434935

Quote ="Wire_85"You know nothing at all. Stop coming on here with your ing over Tomkins your making yourself look like a c[io[/ick Have you noticed your the only Wigan fan who comes on here banging on about that Tomkins does Tomkins does that?'" Quite a lot of Wigan fans have been on here debating the issue actually. Instead of saying I know nothing, back it up. I am saying that his defence was all over the place, poor positioning, didnt create much, did not organise.... and you disagree with this? Was he talking? Was he organising? Did he create lots? Did he get on the ball much? Just to top all this off viewtopic.php?t=434935

Quote ="Odemwingie"Quite a lot of Wigan fans have been on here debating the issue actually. Instead of saying I know nothing, back it up. I am saying that his defence was all over the place, poor positioning, didnt create much, did not organise.... and you disagree with this? Was he talking? Was he organising? Did he create lots? Did he get on the ball much? Just to top all this off viewtopic.php?t=434935'" He was talking His defence wasn't all over the place He didn't set the play as much as he should Hand in first try would have had 2 assists had the passes been taken He didnt get on the ball enough but that was down to other players taking control although he should boss the other players more But this talk of he was very very poor, he was garbage is just aload of wan[ik[/i

Quote ="Odemwingie"Quite a lot of Wigan fans have been on here debating the issue actually. Instead of saying I know nothing, back it up. I am saying that his defence was all over the place, poor positioning, didnt create much, did not organise.... and you disagree with this? Was he talking? Was he organising? Did he create lots? Did he get on the ball much? Just to top all this off viewtopic.php?t=434935'" He was talking His defence wasn't all over the place He didn't set the play as much as he should Hand in first try would have had 2 assists had the passes been taken He didnt get on the ball enough but that was down to other players taking control although he should boss the other players more But this talk of he was very very poor, he was garbage is just aload of wan[ik[/i

I never said he was garbage but he was very poor, other than two well taken tries, he just did not do enough for me.

It was one of the most inept displays I've seen from an England/GB team since...well the last inept display! The halves may as well have been on different continents, never mind different sides of the pitch! Given that the reason for Myler's inclusion was he would link up with Maguire better and "move this big ship around the park" it was plain neither was the case!

Now I don't want to keep knocking Myler as I think he is a great prospect and likely to be around the International set up for a long time to come, however, anyone but the most blinkered can see he's seriously out of form! He's not playing as well as he did for Salford in the first half of the season, probably because he hasn't played much in the latter half of the season! The bottom line is, Smith should not be using an international tournament to play him back into form! The Wales game, yes....but that didn't work and as such should have put Country before club and dropped him in favour of the form halves. He didn't, despite assurances that he would 'pick on form' and it almost cost us yesterday. Against a team that didn't collapse in the second half we would have lost and our campaign be effectively over! Now, I know you think he walks on water, but I refuse to accept that France's collapse was his game plan! Of course, I'm just a Wigan troll as I don't toe the Wire 'party line', so what do I know...

If that doesn't do it, I don't know what will.

Watch tonight's Australia - New Zealand game and tell me if you still think this view is correct.

And to think Cockers got a ban for apparently causing alot of bickering.

It wasn't like this with Nat and Neil running the show.

They are so far ahead of us, its practically a different sport. They play RL how it should be played.

Just echoing what some people have been saying, it should not be a Tomkins v Myler debate. The simple fact is Mcguire should be dropped for next week, I can actually say that I didn't notice him once!

Ok, Myler's performance in the first half was not good enough, but at least in the second half he stamped his authority on the game and took his two tries very well and I noticed him organising the team a lot, too. Whereas, Mcguire did nothing.

I will say it now, Richie Myler, i think will score 20+ tries for you next season, his support play is superb. But anyway, Tomkins at 6, Myler at 7 for next week please.

I wouldn't say he stamped his authority on the game but I would play them both next week but with McGuire at hooker and eastmond on the bench.

disagree there mate with crabtree and bridge and eastmond at fb..we have a decent fb in briscoe...mcguire should be dropped did nowt friday..eastmond at scrum half with myler at stand off..tomkins on bench(just to keep the tomkins lovers quiet).....we`ll still get beat by the aussies but at least its not the same old same old.....

More sense spoken here then in all of Odemwingie's on this thread put together.

Oh well. There's no helping some people....