All he's ever needed is a pack on top.
Well done Kev. I feel confident with my prediction he'll be in the running for MOS.

Nurse. NURSE!

His medication isn't working again.

I too thought he was very good today, he is like the mirror opposite of Gale. One is fantastic all season and doesn't show his true form in big games. Brown very poor all year but in the Wcc, and all his England apps been very good. I would stick with the same team for the rest of the tournament other than Hall, Watkins and Burgess for Bateman, Ratchford and Hill.

Mos!More chance of Benny winning that.

Not sure about the MOS due to him no doubt missing lots of games with injury but i also think he'll have a very good season with our new set up.

Any half looks better behind a strong pack. Brown is at his best when he is part of a structured attack - something that Warrington haven't had for years.

what price is brown for m.o.s

Skybet got him at 33/1

Which means if you put £10 on it you lose £10.

WOW just seen John Bateman is 10/1 second favourite, imagine what price he will be when he passes a ball more than twice in a game

Looked good behind an international pack playing France.... FRANCE.

MOS? Give your head a wobble.

i think Brown could have a half decent season... but MOS is just crazy duck chatter.

I don't think Kev Brown is as bad as some people on this board make him out to be. In the same breath i don't think he is as good (MOS contender) as some others think he is. I think the reality lies somewhere between the two.

OK Kevin Brown.....

he isn't the worst player we've had,and I hope he has a great season for us, and I have no desire to be part of a boo boys campaign towards him...BUT:

he has a limited to zero long kicking game.
he has limited to good short kicking game
his creativity is limited to zero
his handling is good to better
his passing is good to better with the occasional telegraphed intercept pass available.
his organisational skills are good to better.
he can take the line on close to the line and score the occasional try (mainly against Widnes)
he has slow pace.

Luke Gale won Man of Steel this year because (even if hes not your cup a tea ) he was better to best in all those categories.
George Williams is better to best in some of those categories.

that quick description of Kevin Brown in My opinion (and no one else has to agree)makes him an average player and gives several reasons why he wont win MOS.
playing behind a better pack wont give him pace he never had and creativity he never had.

Lee Briers played behind many a beaten pack yet somehow managed to overtake Brian Bevan as our leading points scorer......

Brian Bevan.

I'm not a Kev Brown fan but no denying he was much better at 6 than Williams and potentially having him there, Gale at 7 and Widdop at fullback seemed to work.

The thing is we all know whst we like, so it will not be a shock if he changes it for PNG just annoying.

I hope our pack show up this year. Brown won't have all the responsibility of creating tries as we have Roberts for most of that. Brown's distribution is top notch, even if that is his only 'excellent' attribute.

What I'd give for a Hodgson at the back though.*

*EDIT: Brett not Josh*

I completely agree that Brown will be much improved next season, but I expect the same for every one of our players.

That's what happens under the renewed vigor brought about by a coaching change plus a handful of new arrivals.

Brown wasn't poor last season simply because of our pack. There were a number of reasons.

I expect he will play better next season mainly because of:

* New head coach (bringing new structure, renewed impetus & motivation to the whole team).
* Partnering him with a top class NRL import to lighten the load.

I think nailing 100% of Brown's failings last season / improvement in an England shirt on the pack alone is incorrect.

Doesn't matter what he does at International level, he has to do it regularly for us before he gets any plaudit's

I don't say he'll win it...however for a hb at arguably the richest and one of the biggest clubs in RL...33/1 is a very big price.
My thoughts would be he ought to have been a 14/1 or 16/1 tops.

quite surprising some of the comments on here and on facebook, the first twenty minutes, england as a whole looked good though widdop outside brown did the good passes.

Then when we took the foot off the gas, it was aimless kicks and them short matt rodwell style passes to mcmeeken making him look bad that he's been doing to jack hughes this year.

Named in the Q/F starting line up along with Hill ,Currie on the bench, Ratchford not included ,hardly surprising when Bennett played him on the wing.

Ratchford will not play again in the competition unless there is an injury. If Lomax gets fit for the semi final then Kev Brown will make way for Widdop in the halfs. Bennett has his team (favourites) and there will be no changing unless there are injuries. Josh Hodgson is favoured over James Roby, who in my opinion is a much better dummy half.

Correct. Making him far more effective off the bench once the opposition start to tire. Daryl Clark would be far more effective coming off the bench running against a tired pack.

Not taking him over is justified then. Should we make the final...The Aussies won't have a tiring pack.