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| how on earth was that dg not given..well done bentham you should be dropped
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| Nah, punishment for decisions like that is normally you get a televised match next round, so don't be surprised to see Bentham reffing Hull v Hudds, or Castleford v Saints.
Then against, Catalans are on Sky at home, so his punishment may be a jolly down to Perpy.
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| An astonishing decision, made all the worse by his reluctance to use the technology and common sense to rule on a game changing moment.
Arrogance and incompetence .... a dangerous mix.
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| It, s not the first time this season that bentham has favoured saints and probably wont be the last
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| The issue was that the ref didn't go to the video for me.
From behind the posts it was a goal, from in front it didn't look like it.
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| Different angles different outcomes, the video ref would have gone with the onfield ref, no dropgoal, nothing to see move on.
The real disgrace is Brough having as many opportunities as he did and not getting one.
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| Quote ="Wire Yed"Different angles different outcomes, the video ref would have gone with the onfield ref, no dropgoal, nothing to see move on.'"
You can speculate on what the video refs decision may have been as much as you want, but the point is the ref didn't refer it to him. There is no way given the height of the kick and Bentham's position he could have been certain and at that stage in the game it was a game-defining moment, and he should have double-checked it ANYWAY.
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| He doesn't go to the vid ref but the outcome is the same, so arrogant Bentham aside it's still the same result.
So no controversy no matter how you dress it up.
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| Quote ="Wire Yed"Different angles different outcomes, the video ref would have gone with the onfield ref, no dropgoal, nothing to see move on.
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From behind it looked over. From infront I wasnt so sure, until you use the seats behind the uprights as a guide and you actually notice that the ball does not swing out enough to be "outside". Therefore....two angles, multiple video reviews would eventually conclude that it WAS a drop goal.
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| Quote ="morrisseyisawire"You can speculate on what the video refs decision may have been as much as you want, but the point is the ref didn't refer it to him. There is no way given the height of the kick and Bentham's position he could have been certain and at that stage in the game it was a game-defining moment, and he should have double-checked it ANYWAY.'"
Bentham was superbly positioned in front and in line with the post it may have gone over. Have drop goals ever been referred before? The video ref had two poor angles to go on which contradicted each other. I'm surprised the BBC didn't even attempt to prove it either way with some technology.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Bentham was superbly positioned in front and in line with the post it may have gone over. Have drop goals ever been referred before? The video ref had two poor angles to go on which contradicted each other. I'm surprised the BBC didn't even attempt to prove it either way with some technology.'"
You can try to defer it by saying the ref was in a great position, then query if DG's have been referred before, then mention these so called "poor angles" which contradicted each other, but the crux of the matter is that the DG was good. Brough said so, Luke Walsh said so. There was no contradiction in the camera angles. Both show the ball going over. But why should you care? You got away with it, you were in the hat for the 5th round. Maybe you didn't get the draw you wanted, but I suppose that's karma for going through on a contentious decision.
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| Quote ="WireFanatic III"You can try to defer it by saying the ref was in a great position, then query if DG's have been referred before, then mention these so called "poor angles" which contradicted each other, but the crux of the matter is that the DG was good. Brough said so, Luke Walsh said so. There was no contradiction in the camera angles. Both show the ball going over. But why should you care? You got away with it, you were in the hat for the 5th round. Maybe you didn't get the draw you wanted, but I suppose that's karma for going through on a contentious decision.'"
For clarity, I thought it went over too. Just saying the video ref wouldn't have had anything to prove that with.
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| The camera in front was from the right and it looked to go over the post. ...that says to me it was a good kick.
The rear camera slightly to the left shows the kick within the sticks.
You cannot change the laws of physics. ..that was a goal.
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| The Lancashire mafia strikes again.....what do the RFL have against teams from across the Pennines?
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| Quote ="Saddened!"For clarity, I thought it went over too. Just saying the video ref wouldn't have had anything to prove that with.'"
Now if this was a try or no try situation, then the issue of "benefit of the doubt" would be raised. I don't think it would be feasible for that to come into play when it comes to a drop goal, but it begs the question, if BOTD is only available for one particular point scoring effort, then what's the point in having it if it's not available for everything....
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| What we really need is video playback after every dubious move, then we can eliminate every error that occurs. In fact, we could do away with the on field ref completely and just wire up all the players to a panel of judges in the commentary box.
"No, no, just hang on a minute Danny, we are just re-winding the video, and........yes,.... in fact allowing for the camera angle and wind strength it missed the left post by 2.5 cm. Sorry "
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| But the decision in knockout rugby effects more than a SL game. Things like that can even themselves out across a season.
Anything that in that situation gets the correct result I welcome.
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| Awful decision - From the body language of the players, the only person on the pitch who believed it wasn't a drop goals seems to be Bentham.
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| One thing I've always struggled to understand is how short the uprights are in League at many grounds, including our own.
As for whether it was a a good drop goal, I'd have to say yes. Doesn't matter now, however!
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| Until I got home an hour ago I didn't think you could go to the VR on such occasions. Having seen the various angles I don't think you should be able to. I don't understand how people are talking with such certainty as I genuinely can't decide whether it went over or not. If I was Smith and the decision was referred to me I would have to send it back down as ref's call.
In these situations I think we just have to respect the decision on the field. Who'd be a ref!
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| Quote ="Ganson's Optician"Until I got home an hour ago I didn't think you could go to the VR on such occasions. Having seen the various angles I don't think you should be able to. I don't understand how people are talking with such certainty as I genuinely can't decide whether it went over or not. If I was Smith and the decision was referred to me I would have to send it back down as ref's call.
In these situations I think we just have to respect the decision on the field. Who'd be a ref!'"
I'm completely with you on this.
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| ...........so refer it upstairs to get a second opinion on a crucial moment, if the call comes back indecisive THEN disallow it. Don't just wave it away and toddle off with your nose in the air and a superior smirk on your lips.
I doubt anyone would be quite so magnanimous if it had happened to us! I certainly wouldn't.
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| Quote ="Ganson's Optician"Until I got home an hour ago I didn't think you could go to the VR on such occasions. Having seen the various angles I don't think you should be able to. I don't understand how people are talking with such certainty as I genuinely can't decide whether it went over or not. If I was Smith and the decision was referred to me I would have to send it back down as ref's call.
In these situations I think we just have to respect the decision on the field. Who'd be a ref!'"
The big difference for me is that the angle in front was not central whereas the camera from the rear was of a decent height and dead ; that should be the only angle that mattered. Bentham was too close, not ed and at way too low an angle to accurately say if it was a drop goal or not. At the very, very least he should have referred it upstairs. As RD said: this isn't just 2 points; it's an entire competition Hudds have been screwed out of.
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| With regard to Bentham, does anyone care to explian how Walsh got a penalty against McGillivary when it was a penalty to Huddersfield? And what for? It changed the momentum of the game.
PS no way Bentham could have judged that drop goal , he was looking straight upwards at a tight angle. At best an idiot, at worst corrupt.
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| You do have to feel sorry for Hudds in the league we would just brush this off but they have been robbed of a fifth round spot and a great tie with Leeds.
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