So after 16 rounds we are in the shizter
There doesn't seem a way out and if the confidence is low as stated where the bloody hell do we gain confidence from?
WE ARE BUGGERED and playing the likes of possibly
Hull KR
Widnes
Leigh and probably Catalans in the eights we really are in the poop
Wire relegated........ First ever in our history.

wont happen..only have to finish in top 3 surely we`ll do that

After watching Leigh tonight with passion and energy is it just our lads who are knackered after the double header? Other teams not hudds and saints also played twice but seem to be fitter than our lot. At this moment in time we will not make top 3 in middle 8s.

no way will any SL lose their place this time, just cant see any championship club strong enough to beat them, no matter how good hull kr fans say their squad is!

Can't see us being relegated, probably a bit over the top. Playing in the middle 8's would be depressing enough though, losing our 100% top flight record when we should be at the other end of the table looking to end our championship title drought. Never mind. I think last year clearly demonstrates that the current setup can be successful, but unfortunately not bearing fruit this year, minus the WCS victory.

It does not lose our top flight record

Well I hope not, but lets face it, the middle 8's is a second tier comp

This reminds me of Newcastle in the premier league, before their 1st relegation everyone was saying they had too much quality and wouldn't go down... THEY DID..

When they came back up Mike Ashley said this will never happen again ! IT DID..

I still can't believe people are being so Blasé about our current predicament !!

Can anyone say with absolute confidence that we will definately beat Widnes, Leigh, Catalan, Huddersfield, Hull KR and maybe Toulose ??
There seems to be a we'll be OK attitude running through the Club starting with Smith and the players and it's now filtering through to the fans ... WE SHOULD NOT BE IN THIS POSITION ! I agree with the OP on this we are in trouble and yes I'm worried !

If we were playing the million pound game tomorrow I would have zero faith that we would win it, no matter who the opposition are.

I can't believe that nothing has changed in the coaching setup!

We only had to finish in the top 8. Look how that's panning out.

Mikeywire, we should all share your view because the longer SM lets this saga drag on the closer to the reality of Championship rugby we get. There is without doubt a breakdown between players and coaching staff. The players are not playing as was witnessed at Huddersfield again this week we will witness it again.

Several prominent ex-players have said to me and others that the dressing room has gone (their opinion) TS/RA are no longer respected by the players, one of them went as far as saying the fitness regime is nothing like as good as in previous years.

I guess we all have to hope that SM is out there searching for the replacement as we wallow in pity, after all TS will swan off to Catalans.

Since the WCS win our season has been shambolic & the lack of statements from the club about the poor performances on the field has disrespected the fans & sky tv who have shown so many of our games this season.In any other business we would take our custom elsewhere but the club are relying on fan loyalty. Drastic changes will be needed for me to renew my season ticket.

They think they are one of the best sides in RL according to Cooper. No one can live with us.

They're going well in training

the fact we are even having this conversation is a disgrace considering the resources we have open to us, as a club...a disgrace.

the players and coaching staff should be ashamed.

Who'd have thought it at start of the season?Bookies had us down one of the favs for all trophy's.

As a Leeds fan who went though this last year I'd say don't have a complacent attitude to the Middle 8's thinking it will automatically be straightforward. It did end up being so for us last year but for all our faults last year the professional and serious approach we took towards it was spot on. You don't know how the fixtures will pan out and you could be away to a SL team first up and if you lose it just adds pressure and make things trickier. Also you could do with finding some form before it as regardless of who you play, SL or Championship teams, serious lack of form will make any match much tougher.

No way will you be relegated. As poor as team spirit and motivation is right now, it is still a squad packed with talent. Like the Rhinos last year, as soon as reality bites them on the bum they'll raise their game. Think Hull KR will replace a current SL club though.

Yes this is what worries me.
A win against Pies will get the confidence back up....however an immediate signing before the round 23 says everything....the club finally admit failure....there can be no other outcome than to sack Agar and Tony Smith himself if he doesn't like it imo.

Also playing Toulouse London and Fev.

We will pick up plenty of points and most likely finish first or second in the Kiddle 8s

Segeyaro saved our season, without him we were staring down the barrel.

FWIW i don't think Wire will have any troubles at all if it is middle 8s.

I wonder if that is what Hull KR and Salford said last season.

True, and Hull KR will undoubtedly be a threat, but I still reckon the 4 SL sides, whoever they end up being, all surviving. I think the MPG will be Leigh v HKR, with Leigh winning it.

Wouldn't disagree, same as we (Leeds) were last year. And while some reckon Segeyaro saved us I think wed have been ok anyway.

As for it costing you your top flight status, earlier this season I read a few of your fans claiming you were the only club to have remained in the top flight. Given that our only absence was last year's middles, I assume the same rules will apply to you

Not your only absence from top flight Rugby League in your entire history though is it?