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| What is winning us games this year, our play is still slightly off for big patches of games so what is it taking us over the line.
I have to say watching the last 5 mins we looked like we could play another 20 mins, Catalans blowing out their backsides at 60 mins.
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| defo fitness..and the fact we are not panicking when we are behind..also a belief we can score trys from any where.
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| Well, Yed. I've said this many times this season.
It's NOT fitness. We don't look fitter than last year.These are RL players. They are not unfit. We've recruited (up to now) quite well. Other than that, it's the same side that coasted throughout the whole of 2015.
No. This is (imo) 100% attitude.
We look interested. At times, we look totally committed. That's the difference.
True, we let tries in. We even play 5h1te for parts of games (see Salford). But, if you apply yourself PROPERLY, THE SKY'S THE LIMIT.
Do anything half heartedly in life, and more often than not, you'll come a cropper.
One game at a time, Wire.
Forget about Wids on Good Friday. It's all about Cas on Friday.
Wilkies, HJ, then hopefully, a celebratory Penderyn Legend
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| I think it is both fitness and attitude. It is no surprise that since John clarke has returned the players do look fitter and stronger. With the improvement in the squad the players do look more interested and look like they are trying harder. They also look a quite but group. They are digging in with each other and are playing with a smoke in there faces especially sandow. I think it Algoes hand in hand.
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| its not just one thing but a 'perfect storm' of things that have all come together at the same time.
Sandow & Gidley.
Ben Currie and Jack Hughes playing really well.
Hilly playing his best RL in his career.
Our attitude is different.
Our fitness seems better than other teams.
We have belief and a never say die attitude.
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| Interesting thing about fitness.
I wonder what Clarkey is actually doing this year compared to what was done in the last few years.
If we exclude last year, are we fitter than when we were winning CC's etc?
It might be that the guys we've now got are younger and developing.
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| Fitness
Confidence and trust in one other
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| Thing is we seem to turn it on around the 60 minute mark, plus we always seem to defend more so, we are lookong sharper and defending more, surely people can see that the lads are not blowing like say Catalans and Salford were.
That fitness is keeping us in the game for 60 and winning it for the last 20.
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| Wont be Clarke (and I'm a fan)
He was at Widnes for years using his fitness methods, yet they did nowt. He leaves, and now they're top, playing good rugby.
Surely we were physically fit, when we scored 2 tries and took the lead v Salford, but then shipped in 24 UNANSWERED points, yet came back
Believe me, it's mainly attitude
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| Thing is Lefty, if after 60 mins one team is teaming with energy and the other blowing out their backside that is going to make a huge difference.
Why is it our 'enthusiasm' levels go through the roof at the back end of games?
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| Guys three weeks ago Hull were going to win the league , now i do not want to burst your bubble as i think you have recruited quite well but there is a long way to go yet and i am sure its been your year before and then its all gone wrong
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| Quote ="Wire Yed"Thing is Lefty, if after 60 mins one team is teaming with energy and the other blowing out their backside that is going to make a huge difference.
Why is it our 'enthusiasm' levels go through the roof at the back end of games?'"
Of what I've seen
Leeds. Threw the kitchen sink at us. We took it on the chin. Not Ali's rope a dope, but won by attitude.
Hull KR. Bright start. We switch off. HKR still offer nothing. We find the right gear, and out class them.
I missed the Wakey game, but if you're struggling v Wakey, you've got problems.
Salford. Brightish start, but switch off totally for 40 minutes, showing ABYSMAL attitude (and tackling technique). Finally show interest, and blow Salford away. Salford's fitness wasn't questioned when they took Wigan all the way, the week before.
Tonight, we remained competitive throughout, though not playing great. Cats have an issue with tiring. Such a big pack was always going to struggle, against a lot more mobile XIII They almost threw away a big lead v Leeds, a fortnight ago. I was always confident tonight, even when we went 8 points behind. Again, for me, attitude.
Smith (and Agar) and the team are earning their stripes.
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| Quote ="ploinerrhino"Guys three weeks ago Hull were going to win the league , now i do not want to burst your bubble as i think you have recruited quite well but there is a long way to go yet and i am sure its been your year before and then its all gone wrong'"
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| Quote ="ploinerrhino"Guys three weeks ago Hull were going to win the league , now i do not want to burst your bubble as i think you have recruited quite well but there is a long way to go yet and i am sure its been your year before and then its all gone wrong'"
We're only talking about what it is that's seen us come back to win two games back-to-back, fella. Is it fitness character or composure? There's no bubble!
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| Quote ="ploinerrhino"Guys three weeks ago Hull were going to win the league , now i do not want to burst your bubble as i think you have recruited quite well but there is a long way to go yet and i am sure its been your year before and then its all gone wrong'"
POP!!!!!!! Did you hear that Mr Rhino ?
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| I think we certainly look a lot more composed, and much more bonded as a unit. I suspect the Gidley effect has brought a new level of professionalism and assurance to the team, though he was a long way from his best tonight, and we are less likely to hit the panic button or buckle under pressure as a result.
Whatever the reasons, at the moment we look like a team who refuse to contemplate defeat, and who are playing with a trust in each other that all will come good. And with a bit more guile and skill in the team in the shape of Sandow, it [iis[/i coming good. Having a kicking game helps too.
Interesting views on the pack though. I'm not sure I buy into the theory that Hill & Sims are carrying us. Hill actually looks better coming back onto the field after an intiial stint - he's becoming prone to giving away early penalties for lying on a little too much for my liking. Sims ball security looks much improved, and that was his main problem last year so he is looking like a cornerstone of the pack. The back row are the main difference for me. Their mobility, workrate and skill level elevates them above any other back three in SL and above anything we've had recently.
I also really like the look of Cox. The kind of Mark Hilton-esque raw boned blood and thunder forward that lifts the crowd and team. Yes, his style means he will make errors, but the boy is doing some damage and seizing his chance with both hands.
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| Quote ="morrisseyisawire"
I also really like the look of Cox. '"
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| I'm surprised no one has mentioned one particular deficiency in our play that has been glaringly obvious to me. We can't seem to shift the ball with any fluency. Every single time we manage to string enough passes together to get the ball out to Penny or Lineham they are forced to stop in their tracks. We don't find any space out wide. 5 of our 24 tries have come from our wingers so far this season. That's just over 20%. Compare that to Widnes and Wigan, who have so far scored 46% and 39% through their wingers respectively. We're doing most other things right but seem to be making it hard for ourselves by failing to solve this deficiency.
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| Quote ="Refnom95"I'm surprised no one has mentioned one particular deficiency in our play that has been glaringly obvious to me. We can't seem to shift the ball with any fluency. Every single time we manage to string enough passes together to get the ball out to Penny or Lineham they are forced to stop in their tracks. We don't find any space out wide. 5 of our 24 tries have come from our wingers so far this season. That's just over 20%. Compare that to Widnes and Wigan, who have so far scored 46% and 39% through their wingers respectively. We're doing most other things right but seem to be making it hard for ourselves by failing to solve this deficiency.'"
Hello Phil, you'll be talking about 'your man' Tony Gigot next...
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| Quote ="Refnom95"I'm surprised no one has mentioned one particular deficiency in our play that has been glaringly obvious to me. We can't seem to shift the ball with any fluency. Every single time we manage to string enough passes together to get the ball out to Penny or Lineham they are forced to stop in their tracks. We don't find any space out wide. 5 of our 24 tries have come from our wingers so far this season. That's just over 20%. Compare that to Widnes and Wigan, who have so far scored 46% and 39% through their wingers respectively. We're doing most other things right but seem to be making it hard for ourselves by failing to solve this deficiency.'"
A lot of that is set moves put on by the halfbacks and backrowers who will move defenders around and create space for the centre who can either run or shift it out to the winger. We've had very little of that. We seem intent on lots of props and outside backs hard yards up the middle with good kicks to end those sets.
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| Quote ="Refnom95"I'm surprised no one has mentioned one particular deficiency in our play that has been glaringly obvious to me. We can't seem to shift the ball with any fluency. Every single time we manage to string enough passes together to get the ball out to Penny or Lineham they are forced to stop in their tracks. We don't find any space out wide. 5 of our 24 tries have come from our wingers so far this season. That's just over 20%. Compare that to Widnes and Wigan, who have so far scored 46% and 39% through their wingers respectively. We're doing most other things right but seem to be making it hard for ourselves by failing to solve this deficiency.'"
The results so far have papered over deficiencies in certain areas, the plan so far seems to be there or there abouts points wise in the last 20 mins and then with a more space available and our fitness coming through is to hope we can get over the line with a bit of magic
Against the better/fitter teams we will come unstuck,there still seems to be a lack of variation and structure with our attacking plays,it is more the individuals making tries at the minute rather than the team putting fast/slick moves together
I think it stems from a lack of ball players in the back line apart from the halves,Matty Russell is one dimensional,goes missing under the high ball,doesn't link into the line and is reluctant to pass the ball but does get us moving forward with kick returns passed to him or picked up off the floor
Evans & especially Atkins aren't great passers of the ball and for the most part of the season so far the wingers have been used to give the forwards a rest and doing most of the running early on in the sets
Seems to be the mantra so far and results wise it is working and defensively we have been pretty good its just not that easy on the eye at times but carry on like this and I'll take it
5 wins from 5 and the best start to a super league Fitness,Character,Composure probably a bit of everything but from individuals so far and not as a team unit
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| Widnes seem to have picked up a good right winger & i believe they have an excellent centre inside him which is working wonders so far.Don't know what will happen if Bridgey gets injured though.
I think what is strange about the Wire this year is that one of the best jumping wingers in the game has moved on just as we manage to get two good field kickers to provide kicks to the corners. I would like to see Ormesby given a run out & start breathing down Lineham's neck.
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| Quote ="LJWire"The results so far have papered over deficiencies in certain areas, the plan so far seems to be there or there abouts points wise in the last 20 mins and then with a more space available and our fitness coming through is to hope we can get over the line with a bit of magic
Against the better/fitter teams we will come unstuck,there still seems to be a lack of variation and structure with our attacking plays,it is more the individuals making tries at the minute rather than the team putting fast/slick moves together
I think it stems from a lack of ball players in the back line apart from the halves,Matty Russell is one dimensional,goes missing under the high ball,doesn't link into the line and is reluctant to pass the ball but does get us moving forward with kick returns passed to him or picked up off the floor
Evans & especially Atkins aren't great passers of the ball and for the most part of the season so far the wingers have been used to give the forwards a rest and doing most of the running early on in the sets
Seems to be the mantra so far and results wise it is working and defensively we have been pretty good its just not that easy on the eye at times but carry on like this and I'll take it
5 wins from 5 and the best start to a super league Fitness,Character,Composure probably a bit of everything but from individuals so far and not as a team unit'"
You can't be serious about Russell? He has been outstanding this season and is a very big part of pulling the team back into games with his metre gains and enthusiasm.
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| Quote ="LJWire"The results so far have papered over deficiencies in certain areas, the plan so far seems to be there or there abouts points wise in the last 20 mins and then with a more space available and our fitness coming through is to hope we can get over the line with a bit of magic
Against the better/fitter teams we will come unstuck,there still seems to be a lack of variation and structure with our attacking plays,it is more the individuals making tries at the minute rather than the team putting fast/slick moves together
I think it stems from a lack of ball players in the back line apart from the halves,Matty Russell is one dimensional,goes missing under the high ball,doesn't link into the line and is reluctant to pass the ball but does get us moving forward with kick returns passed to him or picked up off the floor
Evans & especially Atkins aren't great passers of the ball and for the most part of the season so far the wingers have been used to give the forwards a rest and doing most of the running early on in the sets
Seems to be the mantra so far and results wise it is working and defensively we have been pretty good its just not that easy on the eye at times but carry on like this and I'll take it
5 wins from 5 and the best start to a super league Fitness,Character,Composure probably a bit of everything but from individuals so far and not as a team unit'"
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