How must he be feeling now? He said he joined Warrington because he thought he would win trophies,it didn't happen so he left. Then we win 2 challenge cups. If I was him I think I would be feeling pretty filthy with myself this morning!

who?..was he the guy that caused trouble and was shown the door by Mr Smith?

time to move on I reckon...the we have now are absolutely superb...and I wouldn't want to swap them for anybody in SL at the moment.

All true but Wigan needed a centre, Wire did not need a Gleeson who had stopped playing for us, £100k sweetened the pill and Mathers was a bonus. Gleeson has come pretty close to a trophy with the pies already last year, and they are not finished yet this season. I reckon his transfer was good business for both clubs.

Where did Wigan finish in the table again?

I'd imagine Gleeson would be happy that some of his ex-team-mates and personal friends have experienced success, all hinged with a twinge of regret that he's not a part of it.

Oh yes sorry he now has a wheeltrim winners postage stamp!

Poor old Martin Gleeson,
Oh what can it mean
We've won at Wembley (twice)
And you weren't in the team !!!!

Rotten apple, never gave the impression that he ever wanted to be at Wire, not even on the day he signed

But Wigan finished top?? Which takes 27 games, not just 5?? Going to every away ground in the league,. and playing every single team at home, against all styles, played in all conditions. There is a far more satisfying and complete feeling when finishing top of the league that winning a cup doesn't give you. Winning the league is the hardest achievement in the game.

Either way, congrats on the victory yesterday, not many club's fans have the feeling of winning the Challenge Cup 2 years in a row, you're making history, make sure you appreciate it.

Wouldn't swap King and Atkins for him or any other centre in Super League. Got rid at the right time. Judas.

Yet when Tony Smith said last year we have got one next we are going for both he wasn't talking about a tin plate.

Give me the Challenge Cup over a plate everyday of the week.

He said that because after finishing 10th, you were never goona be good enough to finish top, he knows however that you can win a few cup games here and there.
Anyone can raise there game every so often for a cup game. You should know that. Yes I agree the Challnge Cup does look better than the Super League Leaders Shield but in football the Johnstone's Paint Trophy looks better than the World Cup.

Winning the shield is certainly an achievement, and I agree that over the whole season to date Wigan have been the best side. However, no-one, not even Wiganers, would prefer to win the shield over the Challenge Cup. There's just too much history, prestige and glory in the sport's oldest knock-out competition.

Leaving Saint's must have hurt too when he did. No disrespect to Warrington but at the time .....

Good business for both clubs. He has moved on, so have we.

Anyhoo, winning the league is some achievement, something we have not done for nearly 30 years.

OK, enjoy your moment cos as i've said earlier, not many clubs have won back-to-back Challenge Cups, so you need to enjoy your bit of history. But I can't belive anyone would say they would rather win the cup than the league.

Next year, if we win the cup and you win the league, you'll know what i mean. Everyone wants to be the best, and winning the league is the only way you can prove it, you say 'ahh we won the Challenge Cup, ahh we won the Grand Final' but unless you have finished top, you cannot say 'we are the best, no doubt'

Someone hit the nail on the head further up he didnt want to be at your place and you got a player and cash in return.
He didnt want to leave Saints but was the sacrificial lamb in the betting scandal.
Move on you have had the privilige to watch your team win at Wembley in successive years, I would die for once.

He already has a fair few winners medals and He will feel alot better that we (wigan) could be champions in a month

Although The league leaders 'shield' has nothing on the CC, no one can try and argue that

Whilst your right dougy, in modern RL, the league leaders shield means jack because all the emphasis is placed on the two finals. Winning the league is incredibly undervalued in our sport. No one will remember you finished top if you don't win the grand final. For example. I could not tell you honestly who won the "league" for the past 5 years but I could tell you who the grand final winners were.

Not that I think that's how it should be mind, it just is.

We have moved on that much,we have a 2 page thread on him.

We have moved on that much,we have a 2 page thread on him.

Good luck at Knowsley road in the play off's.

How long is it since you won there? 17 years. To think it could well be a Wigan decision that sends you there.

Agreed 100%, although winning the league leaders shield is a fantastic achievement, as i pointed out yesterday to a Wigan fan i know apart from being able to choose your opponents you don't really get much else for it, after all people remember the team who wins the Grand Final/Challenge Cup Final and not really who finishes top of the league after 27 rounds

What makes you think we won't dick on Quins? Cas have everything to play for. Quins on the other hand don't even know if they still have a job next year. I think we will finish 2nd.

Besides, that run HAS to end sometime.

And your point is?????

We didn't beat one of the big teams until yesterday