As a South Stand season ticket holder I'm struggling to ignite any enthusiasm
in myself for RL in general I know we got beat but is anyone else disalusioned with SL generally?

Bernard Cribbins presenting the CC ffs that started it for me.

Over bearing and poor refereeing.

Inability to watch listen to a game particularly tonight. Sky Sports mix!!! It that SKys end channel..Its almost as if the games being played in secret.

Poor promotion from the RFL

Poor samey SKY presentation.

Too many monotonous games. Hardly any flair on show.

I've loved this game for years but I'm rapidly falling out of love with it.

I know exactly what you mean mate. I've felt the same for the last few months. Can hardly raise any enthusiasm for Wembley, which is unbelievable for me.

It's on Mix, and other "ar5e end" channels because the game is becoming a 10th rate copy of a bog standard NRL match

No risks, no passing no flair.

No wonder attendances are falling.

PLAY ATTRACTIVE RUGBY

Not sure about the whole game but for our part it's absolutely awful. I can barely be d watching us on TV this season. Discipline is awful the errors are embarrassing and the style of play is the most boring I've ever seen.

Yep, cos nobody can be bothered to find sky sports mix. Let's be honest, the channel doesn't matter. We will all find the rugby to watch if we want to. And that's the problem, sky have a,guaranteed audience and it doesn't matter what f#-king channel they put the rugby on!

I’m been a season ticket holder since 2003, there’s been many periods of dissatisfaction and disillusionment following the Wire. This currently is another one, other than CC semi final game our general play and general style of attack has been wanting of late (7/8 weeks), I’m hopefully and believe in Steve Price to get us through this ‘rut’...

However, we need massive kick up the Iyestin ‘Arris if we think we can compete with Saints at Wembley and the back end of the season on current form.

Spot on mate. I feel the same way.

- Boring style of play from most teams most of the time. Five drives and kick to the corner/up n under. GB will get a severe showing up in the winter I fear.

- Repeat, repeat, repeat fixtures. Make it a 14 team league if you have to, but don’t make us play certain teams three or four times. What kind of a league does that and expects the casual fan to fork out each time? What makes a Wigan game special when it’s the third one in a matter of weeks?

- Rubbish coverage, Four or five voices vying to make the most inane comment of the evening every game, it’s embarrassing to watch with a non RL fan, I’ve mates who laugh at it.

- p155 poor officiating with regular mistakes costing sides games. Not just us. Zero credibility or respect in the people who run the league.

- Sky’s apparent disinterest in marketing us as a credible product.

- The slow, depressing death of the challenge cup.

I really could go on, but I’m starting to feel like sticking a Joy Division album on would actually cheer me up!

Are things THAT bad?

There are people who can help

Unfortunately, Patton isn't one of them.
In fact, Ian Curtis ( in his current state) would be an improvement at scrum half

Near 50 years a supporter but when I’m told stadium entertainment is more important that what’s on the pitch, well that’s me done.

Good comments.

Cas fan here. I was saying the same yesterday before your game. I go to watch from habit, but games now lack excitement. It’s the Aussie way, the “process”, the percentages, the metres and stats etc, not the entertainment. We attracted attention in 2017 because of the entertainment, but it didn’t last.
On the subject of Catalan, they are thuggish. I’ve played the game and it’s impossible not to react.

Spot on pal the other year cas were a joy to watch like us when we had Morley briers hodgson etc but all that's gone its become robotic and about power.. And I can't see the free flowing style of rugby coming back..and don't get me started on the officiating..

One line in that post sums it up for me...."I go to watch from habit"

Me too.

40 years watching the Wire and this is the 1st season I've ever left games before the end.

I used to be excited on a match day, but not any more.

I used to record and watch every single RL game on Sky; not any more, I barely even watch Wire games now, I just watch the NRL.

Rugby League in this country is stagnating and has lost any spark it ever had. The new breed of fans seem more concerned about the "matchday experience" than watching quality RL.

I will always be a Wire, but i'm really fed up with what we and the rest of SL are serving up this season. The game needs a real shake up or it's going to die as a professional sport in my opinion.

This.
The game has become mind numbingly boring, and we could still do the double (as highly improbable as it seems) with an awful team of robots.

Wakey fan here the game is boring and robotic no risks no flair, run to that blade of grass to get to that blade of grass. The amateur game is on its loosing teams all over the place and when we do find players who can play they coach it out of them. Loads of my mates have stopped going and I think the game needs a big rethink cause this is not excitement or entertainment

The game is just so slow now. Even without the drama at the end, yesterday's game would have lasted over two hours. I am sick to death of the game being stopped for every single injury, be it genuine or feigned. This never used to be the case. It kills the momentum of a game stone dead and makes it so boring. Even when Wire were not particularly good in the past, the games were still mostly exciting. In the late 90s we won nothing but what would I give now to see some of the tries that the likes of Kohe-Love, Henare and Roper scored, that lit up Wilderspool.

I'm afraid some have realised what I realised 4 seasons ago. This has been my fourth season without a season ticket having held one for many years previously. I started as a kid with likes of Brian Bevan, Harry Bath and the rest...We stood in the Railway End as kids open to the elements and regularly getting wet through and loving it along,sometimes, with 17,000 others. In my last couple of seasons at the HJ I found myself leaving 15/20 minutes before the final hooter....I was bored rigid with the modern formulated method of playing the game. I could close my eyes for a couple of minutes and pinpoint almost exactly where the ball was on opening them. The skills which attracted me to the game had gone...Dummies, sidesteps, change of pace...Half the game back then was based on kidology....Skills honed in the schoolyard playing tick, avoiding being touched.We'd play tick rugby under the streetlamps in winter and contact rugby in the local park in the summer. I still follow the game on TV, especially Wire games but rarely last more than 15 minutes, it grows more boring with each passing season.

I remember Willie Mason saying how he was bored playing the game 'stand here at this point then move there then run there etc etc' he said. The game has been coached to death and if players are bored playing then god help us spectators. Union beats us on everything bar the on-pitch product yet even that is under serious jeopardy at the minute. Drastic rule changes needed.

What was designed to be a fast open sport ,especially since 6 tackles were introduced in the 60s , has descended into forward play with 3 or more players involved in tackles ,then moving away slowly when their team mates are back in position. The ball only seems to get to the backs at the tail end of sets when it is usually too late to do any good & we have wingers doing the work of props too. Perhaps the powers that be should think about reducing to say 10 a side to let the ball get more space & get the backs more involved. They could even increase the number of subs to compensate for player fatigue.

I didn't renew my membership this season because I got tired of the same boring tactics and strategies. Five drives and a hopeful kick. Remembering the Smith years now with fondness for the free flowing rugby we played. Never won the Grand Final,but what entertainment we had. Sad sad sad[

All the major sports were invented 100-150 years ago. The number of players was determined as was the pitch size. Players are now fantastically fit, quicker and bigger and surfaces absolutely perfect.

If football/soccer was 9 aside and League was 11 a side it would create the space and style that is missing as there’s no chance of increasing the pitch size. I can’t watch soccer anymore, bores the life out of me and League is fast becoming the same even when compared to 10 years ago

I’d introduce 3 points for a try where there’s a kick involved in the tackle and 5 points for a ‘non kick ‘ try. This would encourage the half backs to be more creative with ball in hand, rather than a hopeful high kick to the corner which invariably is a lottery with the ball bouncing anywhere and an age to review on the screen.
Old school half backs with run-around moves, Andy Gregory style, the first step to providing more entertainment.It might also encourage old style wingers who were speedsters rather than battering rams in the corner
It would also bring a different dimension to the game. Do we go for the 3 points or 5 points?
What do others think?

Worth a go, perhaps two points for try involving a kick and four without.
Either that, or nothing for a try involving a kick. Anything to try and reintroduce some rugby back into the game.

The product across the league is, frankly, e. I walked away from Old Trafford last year 100% convinced that a mid-table side from 10-15 years ago would've won that Grand Final easily. The lack of flair, creativity, and skill is just.... embarrassing.

Lol there's nothing wrong with a good accurate kick to the centre or winger to score a try. Sandow to lineham vs Wigan was worth more than 4!!

Also interesting to know how many trys from kicks are scored that are not on the last. I don't think there will be many. Our issue is we give our wingers the bal on 1-2 then our forwards are getting the ball 3 4 n we are letft with one play to create somthing. It's fundamentally flawed especially when the opposition restrict our first few plays. Tackles 3-5 we need to look to create somthing.


If we're going to make changes to trys scores I would be more for 6 point try if starts from within your own 40