i cant recall wigan putting 50 on us two weeks ago at their place..in fact i think we beat em 23---4 didnt we?...what an embarassing post this is to the rest of the genuine wire supporters..biggest bunch of sour grapes post ive read!

Saints are getting away with murder in the ruck, the penalty against hill for walmsley falling over was a joke considering some of the muggings Wilkin has done after ending up on the wrong side of the tackle

Saints played the ref better than us. They knew they could take the pace out of the game, and starve Clark of chances.

Hate to say it but the crowd influenced it too. The Walmsely dive was terrible, but the crowd won them a penalty. At the other end, that wouldn't have been given.

We need to wise up. Sometimes the successful teams aren't the best at playing rugby, but the best at playing the game (conditions, ref, tempo etc)

In spite of that Chris Hill needs to smarten up his tackling technique as he is consistently being penalised - and presumably is now one that the referees look out for.

Just reading TS comments in league express regarding why Lineham and Penny are not playing, he says it's down to form. Ok fair enough but here is were I get confused as he says Evans, Russell and T. King are playing well. Well I'm not one for questioning what TS does but did he actually watch the game on Thursday what did he see that King done well, I'm confused.

The use of the word "form" can cover a multitude of things why air your dirty washing in public if there is any of course? Also a non confrontational reason in the press gives everyone a chance to sort themselves out, no burning bridges, no being frog marched out of the club and if that is the result not frog marched out for a desperation fee?