I assume by "certain clubs" you're referring to Warrington.

Ben Westwood's punch in first couple of minutes of GF, or Paul Wood's throwing punches at Pettyborne. You're right, if the refs / RFL didn't bottle the first bad incidents in these type of games, perhaps frustrations wouldn't boil over in other players on the pitch.

Our stand off plays the GF with one eye shut, but Wigan only won because of their “poophouse tactics”. You couldn’t make it up. Oh hang, you all just did.

Were Westwood/ Wood instructed to give a bit of biff out by Saint Tony Smith? No of course they weren’t, neither are we, but as some suggest, if you want to mix it with us – Wood started it all, then it’s fair game if you ask me.

I don’t agree with McIllorum’s dirty play, yes he is dirty and I can admit that, but the Wood incident turned what was a great game into a bit of niggle and then the red mist descended on to McIllorum who then became a law unto himself.

That was exactly my point though mate. The examples from Thursdays match were not 'thuggery' as being described. Unlike the Westwood one they were the type of thing that happens in absolutely every game from every team, including yours. There was a late challenge (not high or shoulder btw) and a perfectly legal challenge as third man in (not a cannonball challenge as being claimed) and this has been further highlighted by the fact that neither incident was subject to a disciplinary. That's why I and others chose to contrast it with the Westwood offence in the GF. It's certainly not the only offence from Warrington players (unless you're trying to claim that no Warrington player has ever put in a late challenge or a legal third man tackle, of course!), just one that illustrates the difference between playing the game tough and to it's limits and outright 'thuggery' if that's the term you wish to use. Also, for my own part, I was trying to show the overreaction given that most of the posters complaining about MM didn't post to condemn a FAR worse incident when it was from their own player. I thought they were both valid points worth making. Most, if not all, teams have players who walk the line. Westwood, MM for us, Ablett for Leeds and so on. It's part of the game and (imo obviously) long may it continue!

Read my post again in isolation instead of combining it with several others and then look up the meaning of hypocritical and you may find that illuminating.

In an effort to get back to the original question, the 2 reasons we lost it were Wane's half time team talk and a THAT pass.

All this stuff about Mickey Mac this and SOL that.....if we had come back in that manner then we'd have been chuffed to bits. Hopefully the TS mantra of learning through defeat will pay dividends in the Play Offs where we might show some over due bottle

NTW

hypocritical:
/ˌhɪpəˈkrɪtɪkl/

adjective

adjective: hypocritical

behaving in a way that suggests one has higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case.



Examples

adjective :

1. of the nature of hypocrisy, or pretence of having virtues, beliefs, principles, etc., that one does not actually possess:
"The parent who has a “do what I say and not what I do” attitude can appear hypocritical to a child."


2. possessing the characteristics of hypocrisy :
"Isn't a politician hypocritical for talking about human dignity while voting against reasonable social programs?"

I think both examples fully illustrate why your post regarding Boyd and McIlorum are hypocritical. You pretend to abhor the 'dirty' play of one whilst quite obviously delighting in that of the other. Care to apply the same to my posts?

Sorry for the above post keeping it off(ish) topic for longer than ideal. Couldn't agree more with your post.