Quote ="Saddened!"I think it's just a shame Saints don't have Daniel Anderson any more. After the horrendous VR decision against Eastmond, Anderson would have kicked off major style about Smith. Throw in the 7 tackles issue and there would have been carnage at RFL HQ.'" Don't worry. Simmons is kicking off too: www.sthelensstar.co.uk/saints/ne ... ry_to_RFL/

Quote ="Saddened!"I think it's just a shame Saints don't have Daniel Anderson any more. After the horrendous VR decision against Eastmond, Anderson would have kicked off major style about Smith. Throw in the 7 tackles issue and there would have been carnage at RFL HQ.'" Don't worry. Simmons is kicking off too: www.sthelensstar.co.uk/saints/ne ... ry_to_RFL/

The fact that you run the ball from dummy half all the time means that all your penalties are for markers not straight and not offisde: selective use of data by Simmons.

In fact I undertsand you have had more penalties than any other team for markers not being straight.

(I wonder if the lack of your normal off-side penalties relates to playing matches at Widnes rather than at Saints where the whole of one stand use to constantly scream for off-side penalties. It could be something you will have to get use to if your more vocal support is being the sticks at your new ground).

Ah very clever, I hadn't considered that. You can see why I'm not a politician. Good points well made.

3 is still a very small number in that regard. I'll bet the average conceded per game for most teams is probably 3 or 4?

Not inaccurate at all really, i just said i Had never seen or heard of it, i didnt say it has never happened

I love all this ref bashing - it quite amuses me !! I have reffed a couple of social games and can state that it is a bloody nightmare even at that level.

Consider how many decisions a ref has to make during a game - 500 - 600 tackles a game - each tackles requires the ref to review a number of technical issues - tackle complete / infringement in the tackle / player regains feet / plays ball with foot / markers square / defence onside. That's 6 areas to review x 600 = 3600 decisions. Then you add in the regular refereeing decisions during the passing / kicking phases - all of this going in whilst the players are now operating and top speed and pushing the rules to the limit.

Let's say 4000 decisions per game !! Child made 2 errors (knock on - which he probably didn't see) and the tackle count - a success factor of 99.95%

I can live with that