so how do we go about building a stadium with built-in 'atmosphere' ? atmosphere is surely what WE make it ?

try the Gilbert Brutus when the french fans let loose - that's atmosphere ! in their case it's passion (usually intimidating passion) talking - maybe you are confusing 'atmosphere' with 'passion' ?

Before we get into some daft interpretation of language debate, please answer my question as to why the four teams I stated earlier, appear to have less of an atmosphere at their new stadiums as opposed to their old stadiums? If you don't know, just say so and stop deflecting the question.

stadium design, these all have high stand roofs which allow the noise to drift away upwards, a typical example is OT, the visiting fans have a low roof which means that their noise can be heard, the higher the roof at the lower the noise that gets conscentrated towards the pitch.

I haven't the foggiest why the atmosphere is different at these new stadia - you tell me ? I haven't been to any of the grounds you quoted since the 80s so I have no idea how they are nowadays but I'll take your word for it if say there is a big difference.
All i'm saying is that a new stadium doesn't have to mean there is no atmosphere - I repeat Stade Toulousain on a RU matchday is buzzing - Gilbert Brutus has an atmosphere because the fans make it happen
So,I ask you again,what do we do to change the atmosphere at the new grounds ? Isn't the whole idea to improve conditions for players & fans alike ?
BTW,i've been to Knowsley Road in the good old days of decrepit stands and smelly bogs etc when the Saints have had an off day and the lack of atmosphere has been like a graveyard
I think you have romantic ideas of the good old days - face the fact that the game is changing so you either change with it or wallow in the past,smelly bogs 'n all & inadequate facilities and all that

also aided by the lack of prawn sandwich in their mouth



lots of reasons why new stadiums have less atmosphere. high roof, fans more dispersed in seats and not congregated, etc. - but its also about attarcting new people and they might not be so vocal.

In RL in particular, it's about attracting more families who are invariably quieter that large groups of blokes, who had previously been our almost exclusive target audience.

Any updates at all. ???

They were busy on site again this morning when I went passed, lots of heavy machinery and the like...

Anyone know if the pilling been done yet and when the foundations are likely to be done?

Sure I heard there was plans for a webcam??

There are a lot of people here in the staff room looking busy, but I doubt if any work is being done

I've been told by a very reliable sauce that due to todays snowfall the start and completion dates have been put back 8 months , this has nothing whatsoever to do with the problems at Wakefield and their likelyhood of being the club to get the chop

A statement from the club regarding the Stadium at barton will be released in July , [size=50the day after the licences are announced [/size

HP,Heinz Ketchup or Daddies ?

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Saints or Salford to force a change to my signature, and I know where my money is at the moment.

Please do tell - feel free to take a drive over Barton Bridge first.

very apt !

So do I. Its in the bank.

so anybody drove past recently anything going on?

I went by there this morning and it looks like there drilling for oil.

The only oil they'll find on that site is from years of old leaking motorbikes riding over it!

Still piling on site next step steel erecting!

Did it look like one of these?

it was like that but it had a drill

Typical Salford. Somebody's nicked the wheels and left it jacked up.