Well firstly thats definitely what the turnover was reported as. Secondly you quoted something like 50% or £1.35M as the Salary cap. I was simply correcting you to 50% or £1.85M or whatever the SL salary cap is.

Salfords accounts reported a loss of £1.7M on a turnover of something like £2.3M. Salford are now showing liabilities of £6.8M. This information is publicly available on the gov.uk companies house website.

I think you have mistaken me for another poster on here re the above. On the other matter ignore what was reported as turnover, just do the maths and tell me how Salford's gate receipts, sponsorship, corporate hospitality, programme sales, lottery and merchandising sales wouldn't equate to 275k a year. 14 home games and a very conservative 3000 people (Average 4200 exc free entry game) paying say a very low average of £12 a ticket (Excluding VAT) would equate to £504K in gate receipts alone. Additionally if you had an average of 200 people in hospitality every home game and the club were charging £75 a head that would equate to another 180K sales over the season. You have to agree the turnover figure doesn't tally up does it?

I'm not arguing with you. The figures I have quoted are off the official accounts posted with Companies House. Maybe they need explaining further then.

Meanwhile we wait with baited breath for the RFL to say/do anything which will stop the gazillion threads around the RL internet world

Proof ? or do I call you Marc Green & claim my £5.00 ( tax deductible against my second income .. )

There's a link on the VT thread. I'll donate your fiver to Koukash

Wherever salary or other benefits are expressed as being paid, payable or Accruing:
5.2.1
“to a Player”, such expression will be deemed to include payments that are paid, payable or Accrue:
(a) to the Player himself ;
(b) for the benefit of the Player;
(c) to, or for the benefit of, the spouse, partner, relative or trustee of the Player;
(d) to, or for the benefit of, any person or business entity associated directly or indirectly with the Player;
(e) in satisfaction of all or part of a debt owed by the Player;
(f) to, or for the benefit of, a Licensed Player Agent or other Agent for services rendered on behalf of the Player;
(g) at, or pursuant to, the direction of the Player; and/or
(h) such other transactions as the HSCR determines should be treated as payments to a Player;

5.2.2
“by a Club”, such expression shall be deemed to include payments and other benefits that are paid, payable or Accrue:
(a) by the Club itself;
(b) on behalf of the Club;
(c) by, or on behalf of, any person, business or entity associated or affiliated with the Club (including, without limitation, other sporting clubs, whether linked by common management, ownership, control, directorships, company officers, shareholding, undertaking or otherwise);
(d) by, or on behalf of, a sponsor or other commercial partner of the Club; and/or
(e) such other cases as the HSCR determines should be treated as payments by the Club.



So does that mean that a player cannot earn any extra from ANYWHERE over and above his salary from the club?

There's nothing to stop a player busking every Saturday on Salford precinct with a friend of Marwan's generously throwing in the £50 notes. Could work as long as the player doesn't get mugged on the way back to his car

Just a thought re. Turnover figures.....

I've not seen the financial reports, but wonder whether they show payments to the administrator of the Old Co. for legacy debts?

I'm sure that the RFL pay this directly to the administrator out of Salford's central funding and thus I wonder if any of it (funding in and legacy debt payments out) is recorded in the New Co's accounts?

Just as an aside, looking at those accounts (as a complete novice bearing in mind), although Salford’s total losses in the first two years under Koukash amount to £6.87m, the rate in which the Club is losing money year-on-year has been cut significantly: £5.14m in 2013–14 vs. £1.73m in 2014–15.

That said, the liabilities attached to the previous company were lumped in the first year accounts (c.£3.17m). Circa £25,000 per month appears to be coming out of the Club to service the resulting CVA. Those large liabilities appear to include directors’ loans too i.e. money plowed-in by Koukash himself.

Looking at the debtors there (c.£300k), my totally amateurish guess would be that Salford could even spend between say £1.6m–£1.8m on the cap. This would tie-in with what Wakefield chairman Michael Carter said to [i:e5kf5958League Weekly[/i:e5kf5958 (23 November 2015, p.7) and Salford around that mark, then everybody else gradually stepping up from there up to the big spenders, Wigan, St Helens and Leeds, who probably do spend the cap’.

There's nothing to stop a player busking every Saturday on Salford precinct with a friend of Marwan's generously throwing in the £50 notes. Could work as long as the player doesn't get mugged on the way back to his car





Well that's my point. It would surely be very easy for the extra monies to be paid to a player without it being connected in any way to M.K or anyone else connected directly to the club.
As long as it ended up going into his bank account,and he declared it to HMRC.
So what's the point in having a salary cap if it can easily be got round?

Regarding The Maserati car The Doc bought Niall Evalds for Winning the player of the year award last Season, how much did it cost? I know there a Common site around Eccles Seedley & Weaste

Essentially, goodwill is involved. When Melbourne Storm were found to be running two books and paying their top players in kind with ludicrous gifts, it only came to the attention of the authorities because of a whistleblower.

Bungs.

Well it doesnt take Albert Einstein to work out that backhanders have been going on since time immemorial.

Its a fact of life in Rugby League.

Every club has been involved - probably all 3 Divisions.

Players know this situation applies and it is all part of their `deal`.

Anybody disagree? If not time to move on and the Bulls to stay where they are in the Championship.

5.2.2 c

Marwan is the one and only director of the dormant company that TP was allegedly doing consulting work. Plus that company appears to only have 1000 SRD shares as an asset

Agreed, had hoped Leigh would fall on their Arris and Bradford would wipe the floor with them, seems now I've got to hope Halifax or Sheffield do it to them both.

As for the obvious payments off book to players the minute one avenue closes the clubs/owners will just find a different one.

A single player can actively claim their rights have been breached. Even using the logic you seem to be using here, a player cannot earn say £2m a year. That he could do so doing a different job is irrelevant (or that would make it impossible for any restraint to ever exist in anything)

Besides, even if 'in theory' this didnt impact a players rights, if 'in practice' it did, it could still be ruled an illegal restraint.

The other problem you have is that until a players contract is registered, he cannot have acquiesced to any RFL stipulation because he cannot have a playing contract, nor can he be a player under RFL rules. Because the RFL have no agreement with him, they are refusing to do so. The SC does not strictly deal with players in contract, it strictly doesnt, it strictly deals with players not in contract. Because thats what the SC deals with, new contracts, not existing ones.

It is far close to Bosman than you imagine, the issue with Bosman was he was a player, out of contract, who couldnt transfer his registration because of a restriction imposed by Fifa. If Salford were to offer me X amount and that contract were to take me over the SC so the RFL refused my registration, i would be a player, out of contract, who couldnt transfer his registration because of a restriction imposed by fifa.

Should the SC be found legal, its reasoning would be that it is pro-competitive, those arguments are hard to make when you look at the actual recent history of the game.

Absolutely correct. I’m pretty certain that technically every club will have broke the rules in some way, however small. For instance take Warrington, it’s fairly common knowledge their players are privileged to get concert tickets from a club director who happens to be a music promoter. Where does the line stop with these rules? A Wembley or Grand Final celebration party dinner, a trip to the races, a few hundred quid in the pot towards mad Monday or even a free beer? Rules are rules aren’t they? The holier-than-thou, high ground stance from some people is laughable. If somebody stole a pound or a million pounds they are still a thief.

Just seen a Marwan tweet mentioning 2 tribunals and 2 fines this morning.

Yes and obviously some clubs have been more successful than others. And no doubt more successful at covering their tracks.

In terms of our progress this goes under the category of 'typical Salford' as it has been about as worthwhile as the people who were prosecuted for looting in the Manchester riots of 2011 who came away from a supermarket break in with a family bag of Monster Munch.

Demon you got the details of that Tweet by the doc mate?

Also, whats gonna happen to the club then if any wrong doing is found to have been carried, are we set for another pointless season?? Ta

The Salford Scene (John Gilbert Reds on here, I believe) is suggesting on twitter that we could potentially face a 20 point reduction.

If Salford have a case or cases to answer, it could be one or a combination of sanctions, varying from a slap on the wrist to heavy competition points deductions and suspensions for players and club officials. There are a lot of mitigating factors though (7.12).

Neil Barker (Mario Rugby on here) is recycling thoughts of JG from months and months ago.

As an ex MEN reporter & FREE Press Pass to the best seats but now a prominent figure at Leigh (so dismiss the word `we` in his posts) he really should be trying to win friends and influencing people rather than the opposite. Redwolf - take his comments with a pinch of salt.

Neil - you really ought to change your tune - the old days of bashing Salford have gone. Time for you to move on and find another angle elsewhere. Remember you will have to pay like the rest of us to watch Salford from now on.

They seek them here,they seek them there.
People seek Mario and/or Neil everywhere.
Are they in Wigan or are they in Leigh.
Are the one liners done for free?
When it comes to Rugby League
They tend to give people severe fatigue
It may change over the years
When the Leigh Business Development ends in tears.
Mario and/or Neil could be out on their ears.
But will the tweets continue to come.
Will we be guaranteed to have some fun.
Reading the reports in the MEN.
That contain more than one line,hopefully ten.

Do we have photo of Neil /Mario so we can put up a NOT Wanted post in mock western style around the ground lol