I'm under the impression you believe I'm some massive fanboy of JW? Not in the slightest, I do think the club needs a complete over haul including that at director and chairman level. What I am a firm believer of however is that no one is out there willing to put there hand in there pocket and foot the ever increasing debt of the club.. you come across like you know someone who is therefore are very angry and are kicking yourself because you know exactly how to solve the clubs problem.

The only valid point you argue against me is that the club is mismanaged from the very top to the very bottom. Yup, I agree completely, and what's your point??? Oh you want JW and the rest of the board out? or just JW? If I'm right there then I go back to my original point which is I doubt very highly there's someone out there who want's to take over as chairman and inherit that very debt. My lesser argument being that had the chairman not put his hand in his pocket we would have faced administration (possibly around the time of the first franchise applications) making it an even tighter scrape between us an Widnes in 2008. Anyway in case I've confused you allow me to simplify. I too believe the club needs a change of personal, however there is no one out there mad enough to take up the challenge.

I'd say that just about sums up the situation

Can I refer the right honorable gentleman to a previous comment

That's one too many IMO's for my liking, and yet you moan about the fan's misinterpretation..anyway

Firstly there is technically no such thing as bankruptcy for LTD companies - despite what the newspapers and TV tell us. Limited companies have several different procedures - the equivalent to bankruptcy being liquidation. After the club was to announce it's insolvency. As the chairman of a limited company, if it goes into liquidation, he would only lose what he put in (assuming he hasn't guaranteed any company loans with personal assets such as his house) therefore JW would never be in any position to not relinquish his position.

Why you feel the need to create an air of selfishness around JW and point out he would get in the way is beyond me. The man only wants what's right for the club, I'm not saying what he wants for the club has done it any good but I do think he's kept it from liquidation [uwhich is exactly my point[/u but should it boil down to liquidation the last thing JW could do is stand in the way as you so wrongly point out

Lyrad reds:

look no further than Salford council who I believe are owed some of that 4million?

I see your spelling is'nt perfect Pev. What does throught mean.

Bring it on is what i say. He's been great for Sale , anythings better than this shower we have running the show at the moment.

But tbh i can'tsee it happening with our current debt situation caused through the great management of our owners.

ask Stockport fans what they think of Kennedy pal !

Are you so sure Kennedy is good for Sale?, after his initial enthusiasm which meant they finished top, he has constantly complained about the amount he has to put in and on a number of occasions threatened to remove funding.He will wqlk away without a backward glance and Sale will be in the same hole as Stockport.

Is that who you would like to replace John Wilkinson with?

We don't need to replace JW, we need to replace the people who work for him.

Yeah kennedy has been great for sale. They average better crowds since playing out of their area proving that there marketing and public relations team are doing an awesome job, especially when 90% of the crowd are Sale supporters due to the locations of travelling supporters mainly coming from down south. Last game Sale played at edgeley park was to exeter, which was watched by nearly 7000 , i imagine 6500 at least would of been supporters of Sale. We get that sort of gate against Wigan and 2000 of them are pie eaters.

Yeah kennedys role with stockport is a total different kettle of fish. They are really in the . This is why i said before kennedy won't buy Salford due to the debt of £4million plus. Thats enough to scare anybody off, no wonder JW would bite any future buyers hand off.

no not really just someone who is fed up of people who come on here and have a go at JW and are unable to see that without JW whether we have been a YO YO club etc etc we would not be anytype of club just a memory, if people can not see that they really should wake up. The debt is owed to the directors, they have kept the club going not you or me or Joe Bloggs our money is not enough.
Nobody wants to buy Salford so if JW does remove himself one day then we will see what sort of club we will have and we don't have to look far to Oldham, Swinton but some people think that the directors make money on Salford, these people should be writing scripts for Peter Kay because they are very funny.

KOTS has the latest figures, he informed me Wilko's loan is in excees of just over £500k, with Howard and Ian showing loans of much less. It also shows that the last published figures saw a turnover of over £3m for the financial year. 2009/2010 I think.

You can't seem to get through to some people on here. All im going to say on the matter, JW is the person who has put us in the 5hit, end of story.

ROPE

Is this your own private vendetta against JW ?
Yes he has made bad decisions in his time at Salford, but the reality is that without his backing the club would have gone under years ago.
Do you honestly think crowds of 3K and Sky money pay the players, coaching staff,administration, electricity,water,groundsman etc in fact a whole host of things that are needed to run a club.
Does it fook.
When Salford have been relegated who kept the wages of players at full time rates ?
Who paid for the free shirts we received each year ?
Obviously you know better and think the money is from tooth fairy or some other mysterious place.
We probably do need a change at the top but until a rich oil sheikh comes along who decides he really likes RL then JW is our only hope.

Firstly it is'nt a vendetta.

Crowds of 3k...Who's fault is that? Bad marketing and terrible misjudged appointed coaches, a decent chairman would address this issue.
What is it with you wilky a5slickers im sick of reading the club would of gone under if it was'nt for him. Is that all you can come back with, your all blinkered. You all think he is above critisism. How dare we question him.

What has he achieved with Salford?
What improvements as he made?
What plans as he got? Simply keeping the club afloat.

Simply keeping the club afloat is'nt good enough of 29 years in charge. Were a laughing stock of superleague.

I am not even attempting to answer that load of Drivel.

Dantes Inferno whoever you are, your regular tirades against the Chairman do give people the impression that you appear to have a personal vendetta against the man for whatever reason.

I for one am grateful to have had John Wilkinson as our chairman for all the years that he has been involved with the club and I also respect him for what he has done for the club and the City and suburbs since 1982.

Yes he has made mistakes and John is the first to admit to making them, yes he supports the staff who he trusts,the man is a top class person who doesn't deserve to be ridiculed by people such as yourself in the way that you have done so.

So keeping the club afloat for 29 years is not sufficient?You clearly have no idea of what the costs are in running a superleague club at the present time.

What about the work done to the Willows with the Austin Trumans stand rebuilt,the shed upgraded, the North stand upgraded ?

What about the new stadium? although owned by the joint venture company would it have been built without the chairman and the board in position.

I find it hard to believe that you are a City Reds supporter who is remotely interested in the clubs position.

Got to admit I agree with that post, it seems people on this forum believe JW is some sort of messiah!! Since the Snape days what has he achieved at the club? What much resources did he drain into the initial stadium plans only to go bust after the announcement of the franchise! Says all you need to know about his professionalism. What seems apparent it that people think Dantes Inferno has a vendetta against JW, how I see it is, he hasn't once criticized him as a person but as a professional? So why are people getting on their high horse about it? The club is a joke and people need to realise it because of the captain we are a sinking ship! Now if you look at a club like Huddersfield who I sound say in many respects were similar to ourselves, always up and down, low crowds etc. Look what Mr Davey has done for them for a man who loves the club! Comparisons between him and JW could be made and I for one know which one I rather have at the helm!

How would a decent chairman address this then?? All the marketing in the world won't bring people flooding through the gates if the product we're selling on the field is e.

How does the club pay for better marketing? should it cut the player budget?? No. Should it increase the price on the gate? No.

You say Wilky has got us into this . we very well may be, but thanks to him we're only in it up to the waist, rather than up to our necks in it

BLACK CAT: Very interested in your comments where the money breaks down into the 4.5million owed!

Wilky is a gentleman a really nice bloke,that i feel is his failing,i feel he has been advised wrongly from the people he trusts implicitly over and over again,imho he should off got shut of them years ago,but Wilky being Wilky it is`nt going to happen anytime soon.I just hope he has got something up his sleeve to save us from the abyss the club seems to be heading for,it looks like all our eggs are in the stadium basket,i just hope we havent got Frank Spencer carrying it.

You are suggesting that Huddersfield are a ' successful ' club ?



The only differences between them and Salford is 1 they have had ten years in a new stadium , put them back at Fartown and they'd be worse than you , 2 Mr Davey tips even more money in than Mr Wilkinson

John has made lots of mistakes , but ultimately he has still managed ' just ' to keep you solvent and in the top tier , for that he should be commended , and unless you have a queue of mega rich people knocking down your door , and I don't think you have , he is the person who will have to see you into Barton , wether you and a few others like it or not , that's the way it is

You are essentially a small fish in a big pond , and will most likely remain so for quite some time yet , maybe a relegation would do you good