What is both "ridiculous"and "ironic" is your post if you care to re read what you have written. Particularly where you state and I'm paraphrasing, that the new regime is meeting its obligations that will eventually recover the 'debt' and more, but, we might just buzz off and not meet those obligations if we feel that it doesn't suit us.

Isn't that the point, simplified though it is?

Why thank you Wayward Fan your obviously entitled to that opinion, not one I share.

One thing I will agree on is that on this board it is a highly competitive field made up in the most part by your own posters

A simple answer to a simple question, yes

Fair comment, carry on like this and you will be in the running for Wayward Fan's for ill informed post of the week award

Does anyone know what the club actually wanted? If not this "scaled-down cut-price model then what and how would it have helped the situation?

Uncle Rico - The Salford rate payer who travels to Warrington to watch RL, complaining about the prospect of Salford moving out of town. Great stuff this.

Well they planned for this:



The plan was to make the club (with stadium) self-sufficient through radial developments — whether they were a retail park, a ‘supercasino’ or a hotel. Essentially this was Wilky’s legacy: to the leave the club on a sound footing. It just didn’t materialise. [url=http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/business/business-news/reds-stadium-firm-collapse-962005The developers went bust[/url.

In retrospect, you could argue that it was ‘pie in the sky’; you could also argue that the economic collapse five or six years ago put pay to any development funded in this way.

This is just part of the story as many of the Salford supporters on here, who lived through this saga for ten years, could tell you.

Getting back to the original point, I tend to agree with Bill’s comments earlier. We need to assess the ground if/when Salford have a side worth watching. It’s just that we need that side next year, and that may be a tough ask.

Rico ,Stones- Glass houses- Warrington Council loaned Wire 200K in the early 2000's when they were struggling . OK for them , not OK for us??
or are you trolling cos you are bored with no game to go to over the Aug bank holiday ?

Can see one of two outcomes next season.
One - We have a team who competes but plays Nobles conservative rumbling forward game, end of around 6th on the ladder and make a real tilt in the cup

Or

Two - We struggle from the off (hard to start a brand new team in an off season regardless of the quality players you bring in) and at some point Noble gets the chop from the Doc and we go down the tried and tested route of bring in an Aussie (I did think that for an outside bet he'd look at Morley for the position alongside Hunt but think that would be too much of a risk).

Can't on any level see the Doc leaving Barton, he must know that the improvements are coming on and that towards the end of next season they will be finished improving a significant gripe on match days. I still think he will get at the very least a controlling stake in the stadium and then invest not only in the infrastructure needed to make the club self financing but I'd bet that he has plans for something like a hotel somewhere on the surrounding land. I've thought with his involvement from day one that he's positioning himself for the day then race course get's the go ahead and facilities he builds at Barton for me have an eye too that.

I think some of Bill's earlier points are good but don't think we can gloss over how badly run this stadium has been from day one.

The sooner we are masters of our own destiny in this regard, the better!

Well spotted Mr Talent Spotter I must be mad supporting my home town club, rather than my local club, how bizarre is that for a concept?

BTW I'm not complaining that you might move out of town, I think I agreed with Bonita Red that it would be embarrasing and not the right thing to do given the support that you have had from the City

You have conveniently over looked the fact that only part of the debt will be paid off under the CVS and the money owed to the council will be repaid interest free, but hey nice gig when you can get it.

It doesn't matter if he watches another team, if he is a Salford Rate payer he is entitled to answers and his opinion.

What game is that over August Bank Holiday?

I'm not trolling at all I just have a point of view that differs from most on here.

Yes Warrington may have been the beneficiaries of Council involvement, but, I understand that the Club has met its obligations in that regard and gone on to finance an extension to the ground. If we hadn't paid the tally man and Simon Moran had threatened to move us out of town to force another issue, then I don't think that would on the face of it be fair either, so your 'stones glass houses' accusation isn't really a concern to me

Thanks for that I can't argue that it doesn't look the part and understand fully that other developments could have underpinned your proposal. A combination of over egging it (only my opinion) and the economic misery of the last five years would have tested anyone's capabilities to deliver this. Particularly under the watchful eye (when it suits them) of the RL franchise committee.

I also think that you suffer because of the make up of the city itself, having lived IN Salford for many years I wouldn't know where the best location is to garner that home town club feel which is not a problem that most SL clubs face

Lovely to see Warrington & Swinton fans backing up each other's points. This is arguably the finest example of dual-registration working that I've seen so far.

It would be rude not to.!!

Manchester United U21s have now been officially arrived as a third tenant. Whilst it's good that the stadium will not be a white elephant, the upshot of this is likely to be even more complacency from the SMC and even greater reluctance to allow Salford to stamp any sort of identity on those soulless concrete interiors.

Now that the facility is slightly more financially viable, it's also likely to strengthen the reluctance to sell to Marwan and is likely to marginalise Salford even further.

I was one of those who was positive about this stadium but the longer we spend there, the less convinced I am that there's ever going to be any real progress.

Just praying Marwan can somehow wrest control and make it work for us.

Hopefully at some point Salford Councils unhealthy relationship with Peel might get examined, causing an event leading to the disolving of the JMC.

Judging by MUFC's previous reserve/U21 grounds and the relationship they've had with home clubs, I doubt they'll have any impact on the ground's identity that we need to worry about. The way United have always done things is slightly different to how city have taken over Hyde's ground.

I don't think 7 additional Man U U21's games are doing to recover any financial instability with the SMC & the existing tenants.

the long term future was . is and always will be the retail development and it's possible use to supplement the running costs / team costs , depending on who wins out between the Dr , the Council & Peel

I'll hold my hands up and admit I didn't realise MUFC play so few games. The general point about the clumsy handling of the stadium and the sub-par match day experience remains though.

It would be awful if they did stamp there identity we might end up with some red in our blue stadium and references to the red devils!

Seriously though it is a chance to market ourselves to new fans. I believe the reserves bring in a healthy crowd.

Lots of posters for Salford and an advert in the reverses program would be a good idea. I dont see any conflict with us having MUFC in the stadium.