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| Quote ="Michigan red"I demand you cease and decist quote these fools as your undoing all my hard work foeing them.
They are like an annoying child ignore them and they go find someone else to play with.'"
There's going to be a lot more where they came from believe me!
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| Quote ="Michigan red"I demand you cease and decist quote these fools as your undoing all my hard work foeing them.
They are like an annoying child ignore them and they go find someone else to play with.'"
When Koucash goes you will be bankrupt, so who will be laughing then you fool.
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| Quote ="RED LEAGUE"Do you wear a safety helmet permanently ?'"
Why you wear a bell on your head.
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| Quote ="OFFTHECUFF"when Koucash goes you will be bankrupt so who be laughing then you fool.'"
Are you about to appear on Mastermind soon? Specialist subject "stating the bleedin' obvious"
We were bankrupt before Dr K arrived, so far he's done all he promised, what's your problem (apart from the bleedin' obvious)?
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| Quote ="BartonFlyer"Are you about to appear on Mastermind soon? Specialist subject "stating the bleedin' obvious"
We were bankrupt before Dr K arrived, so far he's done all he promised, what's your problem (apart from the bleedin' obvious)?'"
No problem I got a few bites though.
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| Quote ="OFFTHECUFF"No problem I got a few bites though.'"
I'll not bother with you any more I 'll follow this good advice: "Don't argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."
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| Quote ="BartonFlyer"I'll not bother with you any more I 'll follow this good advice: "Don't argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."'"
talk of the devil.Sorry talk of the devils.haha
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| I'm always happy to see more money coming into SL, and wish that all in SL could have big spending benefactor, but i do wonder how many here considered removing the cap before you came into money.
Looking forward to seeing your team for next season....
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| Quote ="Wigan Peer"but i do wonder how many here considered removing the cap before you came into money.
Looking forward to seeing your team for next season....
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They call it arrogance, Wigan trademarked it, Leeds thought they'd buy a franchise in it, Wire adopted its fiscal policies, apparently it's a bad thing until you adopt it yourself, then, then it's all good.
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| Quote ="Wigan Peer"I'm always happy to see more money coming into SL, and wish that all in SL could have big spending benefactor, but i do wonder how many here considered removing the cap before you came into money.
Looking forward to seeing your team for next season....
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Honest answer is I wouldn't have wanted it raising (before Dr took over) purely from a selfish point of view of wanting my team to be as close to the big clubs as possible. Looking at it from a different angle of Superleague falling way behind the NRL and Union and retaining more class players I can see the argument for increasing the cap.
Perhaps the best solution is allowing 2-3 marquee players outside the cap rather than just raising the overall cap. This way average players won't just get more money because of a cap rise. My concern for SL is all the best players will leave, crowds will fall and we are then left with mediocre players earning more than they are worth.
Without a cap rise or marquee player allowance I still feel Salford have potential to be very competitive in 2-3 years, in a much lower standard of Superleague than at present or previously.
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| Quote ="Wigan Peer"I'm always happy to see more money coming into SL, and wish that all in SL could have big spending benefactor, but i do wonder how many here considered removing the cap before you came into money.
Looking forward to seeing your team for next season....
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Maybe,just possibly,it might have something to do with trying to compete with NRL and RU.Unless of course you will be happy to see all the best talent playing there.We cant sit back and do nothing.
Salford have long been the feeding club for wealthier SL teams.We have always produced quality young players.To lose them to fellow SL teams is one thing we are well accustomed to but now to run the risk of losing them to NRL and RU because of Cap restrictions is not acceptable.
Dr Koukash has already stated that he knows a lot of very wealthy people who would love to get involved with SL but they find the regulations and restrictions very off putting and the buisness plan of the RFL a joke.We need to get these people into the game so just maybe a few changes will be good for all.
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| Quote ="JobsForTheWives"Maybe,just possibly,it might have something to do with trying to compete with NRL and RU.Unless of course you will be happy to see all the best talent playing there.We cant sit back and do nothing.
Salford have long been the feeding club for wealthier SL teams.We have always produced quality young players.To lose them to fellow SL teams is one thing we are well accustomed to but now to run the risk of losing them to NRL and RU because of Cap restrictions is not acceptable.
Dr Koukash has already stated that he knows a lot of very wealthy people who would love to get involved with SL but they find the regulations and restrictions very off putting and the buisness plan of the RFL a joke.We need to get these people into the game so just maybe a few changes will be good for all.'"
If these people exist they would get involved and force change from the inside.
The salary cap issue and Salford is based on having the money and wanting to spend it for the good of Salford , there nowt wrong with that but please dont try and tell me its good for rugby league to have a few rich clubs just buying up all the talent cos they can , like man city or chelski.
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| Quote ="BartonFlyer"I'll not bother with you any more I 'll follow this good advice: "Don't argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."[/quote
Quality and on a par with this one I read on the VT.
Quote It's better to keep quiet and be thought a fool, than to speak up and remove all doubt. '" '"
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The salary cap issue and Salford is based on having the money and wanting to spend it for the good of Salford , there nowt wrong with that but please dont try and tell me its good for rugby league to have a few rich clubs just buying up all the talent cos they can , like man city or chelski.'"
I disagree it isn't just about Salford. Do I want to see players like Tomkins and Dobson playing in the NRL? No I'd much prefer them to stay and put bums on seats in SL regardless of who they play for.
Do you not have the foresight to see where the British game is heading and the damaging effect it will have on Superleague to lose many of it's best players? The bigger or wealthier clubs will still be dominant but the standard and appeal of SL will fall significantly if nothing is done.
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| Admittedly, prior to Dr Koukash most Salford fans would not have called for an increase to salary cap. Not because we didn't believe it would beneficial to the game, but because we weren't able to spend up to the cap, so it didn't concern us. What you do have to consider, is teams like Widnes and London have proven it is not enough to spend the full salary cap when you're at the bottom and trying to progress up the table. Lower league teams have to pay higher wages for lesser players, so in this respect the salary cap is preventing teams moving up the table. Even Warrington struggled to break he status quo, in a time when pounds brought in better Aussies.
This said the last thing SL needs is to drive up the wages of average players, so the 2/3 marque players would seem the most sensible option. Successful businessmen and companies love the opportunity to associate with genuine top quality sportsman. Which brings us back to the doc's claims, people are willing to invest, and the chance to be linked with an SBW or Folau would bring in the extra investment.
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| Quote ="LincolnDEVILSFan"
This said the last thing SL needs is to drive up the wages of average players, so the 2/3 marque players would seem the most sensible option. '"
If the powers that be aren't prepared to combat this threat and more quality players leave over the next couple of years, I think there would be a very strong argument to lower the cap to say 1m to prevent mediocre players being paid more. Perhaps they may have no option when there is a further drop in attendances, sponsorship and television revenue.
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| Quote ="Wirecutter"If the powers that be aren't prepared to combat this threat and more quality players leave over the next couple of years, I think there would be a very strong argument to lower the cap to say 1m to prevent mediocre players being paid more. Perhaps they may have no option when there is a further drop in attendances, sponsorship and television revenue.'"
Further reduction of the cap will kill our sport dead in its tracks, simple as. The idea of marque players is that they will bring increased investment and media interest, raising the profile of our game will bring in extra tv revenue. The current rules are undoubtedly restricting smaller clubs from growing, the combined effect of players joining the RU or NRL has even made it difficult for a bigger team like hull FC to find the right players.
There's a saying, in business and sport, if you're not moving forward you're moving backwards, and SL has definitely regressed over the last couple of years.
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| Quote ="LincolnDEVILSFan"Further reduction of the cap will kill our sport dead in its tracks, simple as. There's a saying, in business and sport, if you're not moving forward you're moving backwards, and SL has definitely regressed over the last couple of years.'"
Maybe it would but if there is no ambition to counter the problem by the hierarchy of the British game then I'd be loathed to see Joe Average getting an extra 10-20k a year in a diminished Superleague competition.
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| There’s more talk of a salary cap reduction for next season and the reintroduction of the limit that clubs can only spend up to 50% of their income on players. However, clubs could spend over that percentage if paid for or guaranteed by their directors. So if Koukash continues to put his money where his mouth is, this could benefit Salford. Particularly as it is almost certain that next year will be the last of a 14-team SL.
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| Quote ="Wooden Stand"Whatever the new league structure (3 leagues of 12, 4 leagues of ten, the 3 leagues of 12, with top two spitting into 3xicon_cool.gif etc, once implemented in 2015 it should be left in place for at least 50 years.
Stability and simplicity will attract more new sponsors to Rugby League and breed success.
In addition, the Salary Cap should be scrapped with immediate effect.
I would not put anything complicated in its place. It all has to be administered and Clubs get round it anyway.
What is needed at the same time as scrapping the Salary Cap are just a few high level rules:-
1. All clubs to submit audited accounts made up to 31 December each year to the RFL by the following 30 June. Failure to do this = 6 points deduction
2. One-up, one-down automatic promotion and relegation between the leagues
3. Go into Administration = 6 points deduction
4. Go bust and transfer club to a new company = relegation to the bottom division
5. A simple limit on the number of players any club can have registered at any one time.
If you want a 6th point (beyond 5 main rules you are tinkering though) I'd say
6. 13 of the 17 named for each match have to be EU born or trained.
Put that in place for 50 years as well and then just leave the clubs to it.'"
Its amazing the difference a few months makes. Close to administration and closure as a result of living beyond your means (as many many clubs have done), suddenly you have a sugar daddy and want the cap gone. I find in incredulous to be honest. No, it isnt perfect, and yes, it probably should be increased but it is needed. Even the NRL with its massive TV deal has a cap. Its there for a reason, and possibly the very reason that you managed to last as long as you did before it hit the fan.
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| The NRL has a salary cap, despite it being awash with money relative to SL; so as a principle, it works.
Where the SL cap fails is allowing clubs to spend up to a maximum, there should be a minimum spend say £100k below toforce clubs to get their commercial operations up to the ante and make SL a true level playing field.
Creating a sustainable business model should be the priority of any owner, throwing money into a black hole is a surefire way of creating a house of cards.
Look at the recent results posted by Warrington: £6.77 million turnover on the back of making both finals, returning a pre-tax profit of £344k . Doesn't exactly underpin a radical increase on their part; does it?
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| Quote ="easthullwesty"Its amazing the difference a few months makes. Close to administration and closure as a result of living beyond your means (as many many clubs have done), suddenly you have a sugar daddy and want the cap gone. I find in incredulous to be honest. .'"
You might want to check if the poster that you are incredulous with has ever actually posted on this board before?
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| Quote ="getdownmonkeyman"
Look at the recent results posted by Warrington: £6.77 million turnover on the back of making both finals, returning a pre-tax profit of £344k . '"
How much is the salary cap?
Roughly 25% spent on player contracts and 75% or £4.8m spent on ?
I’m not a financial expert and I appreciate there are other running costs associated to a rugby league club but something doesn’t look quite right here.
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| Quote ="Wirecutter"eusa_think.gif How much is the salary cap?
Roughly 25% spent on player contracts and 75% or £4.8m spent on ?
I’m not a financial expert and I appreciate there are other running costs associated to a rugby league club but something doesn’t look quite right here.'"
Don't worry about it!
The Salary Cap is a complete nonsense - the RFL just puts a notional value on a club's players' contracts. It's nothing to do with how much you actually spend on salaries.
Just scrap the Salary Cap. What purpose does it serve apart from stopping money coming into the game? Clubs have still gone into Administration and gone bust. Just scrap it at the same time as limiting the number of players a club can sign and putting in place clear, up-front points deduction/relegation penalties should any club go into Administration or go bust
It's up the the directors of clubs what sort of salary deals they want to offer players whether stars, journeymen or otherwise.
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