I think that lack of direction would be due to the loss of one of our most experienced players in Tommy Lee who directs our play going forward. Logan has shown some glimpses of becoming a better player in the last few weeks but is a country mile off Tommy Lee's skill set.

When you look at Tim Sheens's career he has a solid reputation of turning under performing teams in the title winning/challenging sides and having someone at the club who has experience of doing this on several occasions can only give our players confidence. As they spoke about in pre-season interviews this is a 3 year plan and there is no doubt this young side will become one that challenges at the top within the next couple of seasons. We even pushed champion sides such as Wigan and Warrington close this year and demolished Saints at home.

When we are spending full cap next year and have a lot more strength and depth, who knows if we are lucky with injuries would could potentially make a push for the top 4/5 spots in Super League, we are more than capable of doing this.

Sorry, I disagree. Salford, are clearly showing and indicating all the signs and hallmarks of a team playing in a mode of desperation. As highlighted wrongly FATIGUE and DESIRE, doesn't go hand in hand. In the Catalan game fatigue wasn't a factor and our performance truly lacked desire amongst other key factors within that encounter.

Wigan and Warrington played Two derby fixtures within the same time frame as us to which fatigue played a huge role in their encounters. did you see the hand in hand fatigue and desire deficiency in their encounter, i surely saw a sustained desired effort from boh teams in that game, Yeah blame the injuries we've picked up but Hull KR had a plethora of injured personnel who out-enthused us in every department in that particular fixture, so your hand in hand analogy simply doesn't stand up. Condoning excuses don't cut it for me, the glaring common denominator that sticks out in my mind is that if the players are getting out enthused week in week out is that their peers are obviously not getting the best out of them for one reason or another. Can you honestly say that ever since the Castleford game that the players have give their utmost best, i beg to differ. the Club trumpeting a close nit group is what we have this year looks like a grossly over exaggerated statement too. Wheres the resilience.

I can accepted bad games from us like the Catalan game but that on Saturday was just awful to watch. The first half n hour we dropped the ball or we gave a penalty's away. As much as i rate Sau and Josh Griffin going forward, they cant defend at all. I was looking forward to the Leeds game thinking this is the best chance to beat them at home but after watching that i dont think we will now.

I agree totally with your post, I believe we will continue to be inconsistent throughout the season due to the depth of our squad. When & if we get a full starting 13 on the pitch I believe we can compete with any team, losing Tommy Lee, Robert Lui, coupled with the loss of Craig Kopczak, Greg Johnson & still to play Weller Hauraki & Daniel Vidot without mentioning the savagery inflicted on of MCB last week it was not too surprising we did not quite have the quality to finish off Wakefield.

I believe We are not in a position to be a top 8 team, I expect us to once again to compete in the bottom 4 play offs at the end of the season, however this does not mean we are not making progress because we are.
I cannot believe Ian Watson & Tim Sheens are coming under pressure already, they both delivered in the eights last season & have played an existing brand of rugby when the right players were on the pitch.
Finally I understand supporters frustrations at both the Catalans & Wakefield results but have you forgot we should have had at least a point at Wigan & should have beaten Warrington on the day.

No issue with Ian Watson at all, done a good job thus far cheaper budget than either Noble or Harris had to work with.

We should have beaten Wakefield on Saturday too. How many opportunities did the players want/need? Difference between the two was Wakefield were clinical with their breaks/chances whereas we squandered them.

Gunner, the Warrington game we turned up for forty minutes, the same against Widnes but we held on just. So the St Helens, Warrington, Wigan, Widnes, and Castleford games were justifiable performances, however, Hull, Hull KR, Catalans, Huddersfield, and Wakefield were embarrassingly not. Getting beaten I can swallow, but winning and losing in an unethical manner to Hull, Hull KR, Catalans, Huddersfield, and Wakefield I struggle to swallow. Players attitudes and desire should never come into question. They're Non-negotiables at most clubs, yet condoned here.

RE. "winning and losing in an unethical manner".

Please explain. I cannot remember us beating or losing to a team by underhand methods (this season - before Hudd fans come on about cannonball tackles

). Also I read the various comments as reasons not excuses. The joy with watching any sport is that you cannot predict. So do not expect perfection.

Quite simple really,Why you so serious. The following performances, Hull, Hull KR, Catalans, Huddersfield, and Wakefield have lacked moral values attributed in Rugby League terms, making the performances lacking in [umorality [/uin Rugby League terms not in true life form.



With regards to expecting perfection, that is simply not the case, unlike you, I expect all the moral values to be met where attitude, aptitude, and desire are [uNOT[/u left wanting collectively which are immoral in Rugby League terms, get with the times HillBilly Red we're not in the 70's anymore where a Woodbine and a pint was the half-time refreshments. Urine and chips come to mind.

I am confused by your answer. To me ethics refer to two possibilties:
1 that county where young things are noted for hair lacqer and fake tans
2 how morality is practised: I dare you to state to the players that that they are immoral.

As for the distinction between RL and "true life form" ,

, I must have drank too much before matches and believed that what I saw on the meadow was true to life. Oh well, at least now I can relax knowing it is all an illusion. Benthamite ethics at their best.