We should run a book on which version of the soap opera will turn out to be true.

This is the fifth different reason for perceived troubles I've heard. They can't all be right, although, they could all be wrong.

theredshed - We released Hock because he was a massive bell-end and Locke because he was an expensive water carrier. TP simply wasn't wanted by the coach I think they're more plausible reasons tbh. As for massive bonuses, I find it difficult to believe that the Club wouldn't factor-in the numbers. Even Salford are not that dumb. Surely? Especially seeing as there's lots of easy ways around the cap if Clubs are so inclined.

I can feel myself walking away from SL at the moment...

Not necessarily if the club have acted to prevent this. Don't forget Hock and Locke have gone so no big appearance money there.

Brilliant!! I give in....I'm with the Butcher the way I feel.

I concur with are kyd.

Count me in, I'm ready to f cuk rugby league off after 40 years.

I don't believe this for a moment - you can randomly nominate a player every week to get a payment that doesn't count on the cap? No way that can be true, otherwise clubs would just have a carousel of MOM awards across the squad to pay salaries in excess of the cap. Or pay someone nothing but award him MOM every week and he would be free on the cap!

Quote ="FearTheVee"I don't believe this for a moment - you can randomly nominate a player every week to get a payment that doesn't count on the cap? No way that can be true, otherwise clubs would just have a carousel of MOM awards across the squad to pay salaries in excess of the cap. Or pay someone nothing but award him MOM every week and he would be free on the cap!'" Unfortunately, it is true. Directly from the RFL salary cap regulations: [iC. Items that may be excluded from the calculation of the Salary Cap Value of a Player E1:5:7 The following items may be excluded in the calculation of the Salary Cap Value of a Player: Prize Money 5.7.2 the Gross value of any bonus payments that may Accrue to the Player during the Salary Cap Year if he wins the annual Man-of-Steel award (or any other similar individual award) or any Man-of-the-Match awards in that Salary Cap Year; [/i www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/rules/i ... section=E1 .

Quote ="FearTheVee"I don't believe this for a moment - you can randomly nominate a player every week to get a payment that doesn't count on the cap? No way that can be true, otherwise clubs would just have a carousel of MOM awards across the squad to pay salaries in excess of the cap. Or pay someone nothing but award him MOM every week and he would be free on the cap!'" Unfortunately, it is true. Directly from the RFL salary cap regulations: [iC. Items that may be excluded from the calculation of the Salary Cap Value of a Player E1:5:7 The following items may be excluded in the calculation of the Salary Cap Value of a Player: Prize Money 5.7.2 the Gross value of any bonus payments that may Accrue to the Player during the Salary Cap Year if he wins the annual Man-of-Steel award (or any other similar individual award) or any Man-of-the-Match awards in that Salary Cap Year; [/i www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/rules/i ... section=E1 .

On 24 June 2015 Junior S'au and Carl Forster were confirmed as having signed new 2 year contracts. This is after Kevin Locke left and whilst the Tony Puletua situation has been going on. So what exactly has changed other than the constant attacks from external forces. Let's wait and see how the team perform against Widnes.

It's good to see that Nottingham tiger has progressed from being an expert in visa and employment law to now also being an expert in salary cap issues at Salford.

Quote ="nottinghamtiger"Unfortunately, it is true. Directly from the RFL salary cap regulations: [iC. Items that may be excluded from the calculation of the Salary Cap Value of a Player E1:5:7 The following items may be excluded in the calculation of the Salary Cap Value of a Player: Prize Money 5.7.2 the Gross value of any bonus payments that may Accrue to the Player during the Salary Cap Year if he wins the annual Man-of-Steel award (or any other similar individual award) or any Man-of-the-Match awards in that Salary Cap Year; [/i www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/rules/i ... section=E1 .'" If there is no cap on these payments, surely that clause alone renders the whole cap irrelevant? So for arguments sake Saints can pay Roby £100k for picking up a MOM award and it wouldn't count on the cap?

Quote ="nottinghamtiger"Unfortunately, it is true. Directly from the RFL salary cap regulations: [iC. Items that may be excluded from the calculation of the Salary Cap Value of a Player E1:5:7 The following items may be excluded in the calculation of the Salary Cap Value of a Player: Prize Money 5.7.2 the Gross value of any bonus payments that may Accrue to the Player during the Salary Cap Year if he wins the annual Man-of-Steel award (or any other similar individual award) or any Man-of-the-Match awards in that Salary Cap Year; [/i www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/rules/i ... section=E1 .'" If there is no cap on these payments, surely that clause alone renders the whole cap irrelevant? So for arguments sake Saints can pay Roby £100k for picking up a MOM award and it wouldn't count on the cap?

Correct.
Interesting how many times Chase was named MOM in his first year at Salford, although I didn't attend the games so can't comment on whether it was deserved or not.

I am a man of many talents.
In seriousness, I am not an expert on the salary cap. I am, however, capable of reading the regulations.
My little knowledge of to goings on at Salford comes from an ex-player with no axe to grind (not Locke or Puletua)

Quote ="nottinghamtiger"Unfortunately, it is true. Directly from the RFL salary cap regulations: [iC. Items that may be excluded from the calculation of the Salary Cap Value of a Player E1:5:7 The following items may be excluded in the calculation of the Salary Cap Value of a Player: Prize Money 5.7.2 the Gross value of any bonus payments that may Accrue to the Player during the Salary Cap Year if he wins the annual Man-of-Steel award (or any other similar individual award) or any Man-of-the-Match awards in that Salary Cap Year; [/i www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/rules/i ... section=E1 .'" Is there a limit to these extra incomes? Could a club pay £500,000 to its Player of the Year, £250,000 to Young Player of the Year, £150,000 to Clubman of the Year? Sounds like BS. There'd be no point having a cap. Maybe that's why Marwan cancelled the players awards dinner last year.

Quote ="nottinghamtiger"Unfortunately, it is true. Directly from the RFL salary cap regulations: [iC. Items that may be excluded from the calculation of the Salary Cap Value of a Player E1:5:7 The following items may be excluded in the calculation of the Salary Cap Value of a Player: Prize Money 5.7.2 the Gross value of any bonus payments that may Accrue to the Player during the Salary Cap Year if he wins the annual Man-of-Steel award (or any other similar individual award) or any Man-of-the-Match awards in that Salary Cap Year; [/i www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/rules/i ... section=E1 .'" Is there a limit to these extra incomes? Could a club pay £500,000 to its Player of the Year, £250,000 to Young Player of the Year, £150,000 to Clubman of the Year? Sounds like BS. There'd be no point having a cap. Maybe that's why Marwan cancelled the players awards dinner last year.

Given international appearance bonuses are limited to £5k, I can't imagine there is no guidance for clubs on the permitted extent of Man-Of-The-Match bonuses.

But then this is the RFL I suppose.

I would happily be proven wrong, but the RFL's own regulations explicitly state that these bonus payments are not included in the salary cap.
Unless someone can find anything different....

Half the problem at Salford is it's own fans. Unfortunately, I come accross lots of cretins via social media, it's so easy for some to write something, then get retweeted and before you know it, the tweet could be seen by 1000's. Some fans have an agenda against MK and doing all they can to remove him, I beleive it'll have the opposite affect and make him dig his heels in. He might not be everyones cup tea, but what do people want? Go back to the Wilkinson era and keep getting walked over, jobs for people at the club because they are passionate fans? I honestly don't mind he's hard nose and will fight for what he believes in, and if that upsets a few on the way thats fine by me. For me Vickers, is an issues, he's not used to professional sport, so change from the top, marketing needs to be replaced too, what do the media team do? Saw an interview with Darrel Griffin, the interviewee was shocking.

All thats for another day, but the fans on twitter have alot to answer for, bit like Forever Reds, those trying to prove they bigger and better fans than others and using to try gain access to the club.

What gets said on the "fans board"? Are they all yes men to Vickers and Marwan. The spokesperson from the board needs to open and frankly honest Marwan, he's got big enough shoulders I'm sure he'd listen but whether he accepts it, well thats for another day

Sorry but I'm with N Tiger on this (from comments made at Huddersfield that made no sense then but do now)

Butcher: yes it's getting more like Dallas (ask your pa) than Corrie.

Win a couple of games and this forum is like a ghost town. Get thumped and there's no room for an apple to fall.

Aye too much gravity.

It's starting to get me down!

This is my take on a few things,

1. Tony P , had to be signed of the qouta list , because we had to many over sea,s players. so sumone had to go, not fair on tony i know.

2. Kevin Locke, Has never been fully fit since he has arrived last season, proved it again over the weekend he is out for the rest of the season, so the choice was made to get rid and save some money, cant blame the doc to be honest, I just wish kevin had been fully fit when he arrived , He could of set the superleague alight.

3. Rangi Chase, At leeds, yes he was on the pitch warming up, but to me he didnt seem to put much effort into the warm up. Dont forget he has been out for 2 weeks injured, we were not going to beat leeds,( though i would of liked to of seen a better performance from all players). Just maybe Ian Watson did not want to risk Rangi getting injured again when we have a match on sunday that we can win and must win, and he thought keeping Rangi out for another week would aid his recovery, plus after the last two wins without him it would of been a hard choice to drop sumone to bring a player who is not match fit into a hard game, ( we need to bring back the a team so injured players can become match fit, but that is for the RFL to decide).

4. As for players not being payed, I cant comment, but if a player is not getting paid, why would other players sign 2 year contracts, im sure they talk to each other and if Fred is not being paid, why would Tom sign a 2 year contract, that is all i will say on that matter.

That is my take on some of what is going on at Salford.

Some of you say you might not watch us next year etc, Like me you are all die hard Salford fans , and where ever we are next season you like me will be there, after 53 years of ups and downs, i will still watch them.

Don't you worry, Hillbilly, I'm old enough to remember Dallas the first time around. Unfortunately.

Actually visited Southfork once when I was over in Texas, pretty cool but nothing compared to a visit to Crawford, never seen so many blacked out windows and unmarked police cars.

Surely you don't really mean that, I know all the poop flying round is disconcerting but come one we've been on worse a worse place than this. We don't even know what's going on, not trying to say all is rosey but let's not give in yet eh? I don't think there would be half as much negativity if it wasn't for McDermotts little rant. I'm not saying he is wrong by the way, I just don't know what to beleive, but I'm going be around whatever.

Let's beat widnes on Sunday and move on from there!

What NottsTiger has stated is correct. Other clubs do it I'm sure, but Salford have tried to do it a bit different and it's added to their problems. You need to look at who has put together the contracts of players like PT, Locke, Chase and Hock over the last couple of years. If you look at the finer detail it's easy to spot what has happened.