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| Quote ="theredshed"Who would want to buy a stadium? It's an extremely limited market isn't it.'"
Maybe the sort of person who's prepared to pi[size=5.[/sizess away £1.5million+ per year on a rugby union club.
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| Quote ="theredshed"Does it make any sense for any club to own their own ground these days? Who would want to buy a stadium? It's an extremely limited market isn't it.'"
Granted it is a limited market [inow[/i. Owning ones home does, however, future proof a club; and we can't predict what will happen in ten years time.
It's all academic in our case because Salford didn't really have a say in the matter, what with the joint venture doubtlessly saving the project.
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| Quote ="jonny the leyther"There has been a rumour that Kennedys money is drying up. Is this what you're referring to redshed?'"
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| Quote ="theredshed"Does it make any sense for any club to own their own ground these days? Having read about the financial situation at Sale I doubt very much they would be in a position to make such a huge purchase like this. It stacks for the Council and Peel to build the stadium because:
1. They own the land.
2. The retail on the site would help fund the stadium cost.
A stadium isn't like a residential of commercial property that can be purchased as an investment and sold for a profit. Who would want to buy a stadium? It's an extremely limited market isn't it.'"
Why not buy the stadium? The joint venture company could make a profit and maybe still keep the retail units and inherent rents. Sale own the ground and can then use it for concerts etc.... they have a nice clean shiney new stadium to encourage union loving corporate hospitality.
I think the one thing which could go in our favour is that Sale coming onboard may make the 2nd and 3rd phase be built sooner rather than later.
I'd be ok with Sale being there as long as we are safe and the primary tenant. And the stadium was kept by the council as a community stadium.
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| Would the council be legally alound to sell the ground? pretty sure part of the remit for allowing it in the first place would have been that it is council owned and is for the community.
Also what would Kennedy do with Edgeley Park? as let's be honest anyone who knows Stockport knows that the area around the ground isn't the best and they won'd get much for it in the way of new builds.
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| Quote ="Fungus The Muffin Man"Why not buy the stadium? The joint venture company could make a profit and maybe still keep the retail units and inherent rents. Sale own the ground and can then use it for concerts etc.... they have a nice clean shiney new stadium to encourage union loving corporate hospitality.
I think the one thing which could go in our favour is that Sale coming onboard may make the 2nd and 3rd phase be built sooner rather than later.
I'd be ok with Sale being there as long as we are safe and the primary tenant. And the stadium was kept by the council as a community stadium.'"
I cant imagine either Salford or Sale coming up with the millions to buy it. If this was possible why aren't both clubs building new stadiums themselves? I'm sure both clubs financial priorities are about the strength of the teams on the field rather than making huge investments they can't afford. Bare in mind also that the 26m figure is just for the stadium and not the retail and future associated profits. Like I said in an earlier post the stadium cost to the JV is probably viable because they own the land and some of the profit from the future retail would go towards paying off the stadium loan. At the end of the day the council have backed this because its for the community of Salford (and as long as they aren't losing money) I can't imagine they would want to relinquish control. For instance in addition to the sports pitches/facilities I understand that one floor of the main stand will be used as community offices.
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| Don't want Sale in there for all the reasons that have been discussed. Michigan Red I don't get your hatred of football and worship of Rugby Union. Football never banned anyone for life who had played Rugby League. What was all that nonsense your were posting on here abit ago saying we shouldn't be selling 5 year season tickets if we didn't have it on record who would be playing at Barton with us?
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| Quote ="jonny the leyther"I agree that the stadium needs to be shared to spread the costs but I do not trust Sale Sharks in the slightest bit after what they have done to Stockport County. I work in Stockport and the things I hear are very bad.
I think it would be much better for you if you got one of City or Utds reserves playing there and let Swinton use it on alternate weekends to you in the summer.
If Blackburn Rovers can use the LSV effectively from such a distance could you not get Bolton or Wigan reserves in there?
I'm a RL fan through and through and I really don't want the same happening to you as what's happened to Stockport'"
Latics play at Robin park arena I think, no need for them to move.
Getting Sale in is a bad move IMO, that is helping the main competition which cannot be good. Let them die elsewhere.
Would be great to get Man United reserves or FC united playing in the stadium.
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Also what would Kennedy do with Edgeley Park? as let's be honest anyone who knows Stockport knows that the area around the ground isn't the best and they won'd get much for it in the way of new builds.'"
Brian Kennedy has said Stockport County can stay and have exclusive use of Edgeley Park and keep some of the C & B to help their revenue streams.
See Kennedy's email reply to some disgruntled SCFC supporters on the Sale forum below.
www.rugbynetwork.net/boards/read ... 532,page=1
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Also what would Kennedy do with Edgeley Park? as let's be honest anyone who knows Stockport knows that the area around the ground isn't the best and they won'd get much for it in the way of new builds.'"
Brian Kennedy has said Stockport County can stay and have exclusive use of Edgeley Park and keep some of the C & B to help their revenue streams.
See Kennedy's email reply to some disgruntled SCFC supporters on the Sale forum below.
www.rugbynetwork.net/boards/read ... 532,page=1
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| Why is everyone thinking/predicting that the stadium will be shared by someone else? I'd prefer it to be ours and ours alone. If it's council/Peel-owned then it will be up to them to try and maximise use of it but there's a fine balance in over-using it in my opinion. And whatever happens I don't want any union team using it. They can all go to the wall as far as I'm concerned and, fingers crossed, that will be sooner than later.
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| Quote ="Ordsall Quays Red"Why is everyone thinking/predicting that the stadium will be shared by someone else? I'd prefer it to be ours and ours alone. If it's council/Peel-owned then it will be up to them to try and maximise use of it but there's a fine balance in over-using it in my opinion. And whatever happens I don't want any union team using it. They can all go to the wall as far as I'm concerned and, fingers crossed, that will be sooner than later.'"
Because the more usage it gets , the more money it makes , the less rental you pay , the better team you can put out on the pitch
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| Quote ="Ordsall Quays Red"Why is everyone thinking/predicting that the stadium will be shared by someone else? I'd prefer it to be ours and ours alone. If it's council/Peel-owned then it will be up to them to try and maximise use of it but there's a fine balance in over-using it in my opinion. And whatever happens I don't want any union team using it. They can all go to the wall as far as I'm concerned and, fingers crossed, that will be sooner than later.'"
good post
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| Quote ="Starbug"Because the more usage it gets , the more money it makes , the less rental you pay , the better team you can put out on the pitch'"
I was under the belief that we were paying a minimal/barely mentionable rent as it is.
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| Quote ="Ordsall Quays Red"I was under the belief that we were paying a minimal/barely mentionable rent as it is.'"
Compared to what at the minute ?
And do you have a figure for this ' minimal/barely mentionable ' rent ? , not forgetting loss of concession sales ? , loss of some of you pitchside advertising revenues ? , massive increase in the cost of your corporate costs
I hope you are right and I am wrong
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| Quote ="Starbug"Compared to what at the minute ?
And do you have a figure for this ' minimal/barely mentionable ' rent ? , not forgetting loss of concession sales ? , loss of some of you pitchside advertising revenues ? , massive increase in the cost of your corporate costs
I hope you are right and I am wrong'"
That's a good point to be honest.
I have no clue what the new rent will be but I'm sure one of the selling points was that it was going to be a "peppercorn" rent, whatever that would be.
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| Quote ="Ordsall Quays Red"That's a good point to be honest.
I have no clue what the new rent will be but I'm sure one of the selling points was that it was going to be a "peppercorn" rent, whatever that would be.'"
it's a minimal licence fee as I understand it
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| Quote ="david caesar"it's a minimal licence fee as I understand it'"
Which means absolutley nothing , the council will be paying rates , insurance , office staff , ground staff , marketing staff , financial staff , several ' PA s' , several various ' management ' staff , at the LSV there are around 16 ' administration ' staff doing all these jobs , all on very good salaries , do you think the good citizens of Salford will be happy to pay for all that and not charge the reds anything realistic to play at a new 25 million pound stadium ?
Seriously ?
And who's decision will it then be who else gets to play there ? , it certainly wont be the SCR 's
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| how about swinton sharing the ground seen as though nothing has been said about there move to a new stadium and they have to leave the willows next season?
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| Quote ="Starbug"Which means absolutley nothing , the council will be paying rates , insurance , office staff , ground staff , marketing staff , financial staff , several ' PA s' , several various ' management ' staff , at the LSV there are around 16 ' administration ' staff doing all these jobs , all on very good salaries , do you think the good citizens of Salford will be happy to pay for all that and not charge the reds anything realistic to play at a new 25 million pound stadium ?
Seriously ?
And who's decision will it then be who else gets to play there ? , it certainly wont be the SCR 's'"
I'd have thought with AT's sudden departure that you would be more preocuppied with that thread?
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| Quote ="theredshed"I'd have thought with AT's sudden departure that you would be more preocuppied with that thread?'"
Yes not good is it , then again , our move to the LSV has been part of the problem , I am not ' trolling ' I just see so many similarilitys with yourselves and the move to the LSV , as existing fans you need to understand that it might not be the ' Nirvana ' many of you think it will be
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| Quote ="Starbug"Yes not good is it , then again , our move to the LSV has been part of the problem , I am not ' trolling ' I just see so many similarilitys with yourselves and the move to the LSV , as existing fans you need to understand that it might not be the ' Nirvana ' many of you think it will be
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There are some similarities but the things that differentiate Barton to the LSV are hopefully Superleague rugby (license permitting), the location and the potential within the catchment area. I don't think anyone is under any illusion that it will be all plain sailing. All it provides is a better vehicle but it's important the club are prepared and know just how to drive it.
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| Quote ="arliebird"how about swinton sharing the ground seen as though nothing has been said about there move to a new stadium and they have to leave the willows next season?'"
Would rather stick pins in my eyes than have that bitter bunch share the ground with us
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| Quote ="Starbug"I just see so many similarilitys with yourselves and the move to the LSV , as existing fans you need to understand that it might not be the ' Nirvana ' many of you think it will be
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Same here.
Things seem to be looking up a bit at the LSV but it's been a tough time as we have to learn lessons from their experience.
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| On the "new stadium" thread (and I know it's a little early) but has anyone given any thought to how they are going to get to the new ground (for those like me who like to leave the car firmly at home and enjoy a vessel or 5 !! )
At the moment it's great - train into town/tram to Weaste.
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| Quote ="david caesar"On the "new stadium" thread (and I know it's a little early) but has anyone given any thought to how they are going to get to the new ground (for those like me who like to leave the car firmly at home and enjoy a vessel or 5 !!
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Could be a major issue if the games are on a Friday night.
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