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| Peel will build it, it will be to a high standard because it will have the Peel name on it, plus it is the bargaining chip for the Race course, they will deliver by 2010, whats happening now is most likely to be with commercial confidence and awarding of contracts and tenders.
Have we ever known Peel to fail?
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| The more I think about it the more I think we're going to end up coming out of this in a very bad position. If we end up with a lego stadium without any peripheral businesses that rented to us by Peel then we can kiss goodbye to any prospects of winning anything for at least the next 20 years. We'll never attract new fans by having a HJ style stadium as people will just presume that Salford City have moved up in the world or that United have built a stadium for the reserves to play in. We all know that I've got more chance of growing wings than Salford have of attracting attendances in the xx,000s so without extra revenue streams we won't even be able to spend up the salary cap.
Peel are only interested in us for the short term because they know we can help them with Port Salford and the Racecourse. After that we're worth nothing to them and that is a very dangerous position for us to put ourselves in.
I'd rather wait three or four years for the Banking crisis to finish and for finance to become cheaper and to then have another look at building the original stadium. Getting thrown out in 2012 would be worth it for the longer term benefit.
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| Quote ="Bigpev"Peel will build it, it will be to a high standard because it will have the Peel name on it, plus it is the bargaining chip for the Race course, they will deliver by 2010, whats happening now is most likely to be with commercial confidence and awarding of contracts and tenders.
Have we ever known Peel to fail?
No'"
The only mention of our stadium I can find on Peels website is a press statement from 2004 when they were looking at building a casino.
Personally I think this is a company with serious delusions of grandeur, and they are the one party in all this I really don't trust. There are numerous grandiose infrastructure projects on their website but my personal favourite is described thus, "The visionary scheme will see Liverpool become one side of the ocean gateway to the North West, an international waterside destination to rival cities such as Dubai, Vancouver, New York and Shanghai.", from their press release dated 6th March 2007.
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| Sorry but the club have been hopeless with the updates. JW is not infalliable therefore he, like any human can make mistakes and even keep stumm.
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| Well said.
Come on ,John,just tell us how you see it
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| According to the geordie fan, he was spounting on the train back from Warrington that it starts october 14th
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| Quote ="Diavolo Rosso"I'd rather wait three or four years for the Banking crisis to finish and for finance to become cheaper and to then have another look at building the original stadium. Getting thrown out in 2012 would be worth it for the longer term benefit.'"
I’m a bit wary about the timeline for when Salford have to leave The Willows. The ground will be sold; it just depends on whether there’s a deadline. If there is, that might scupper waiting for the Banking sector to improve. Also, there‘s no guarantee that the price of raw materials will flatten out. So it’s a pretty big catch-22 situation.
Quote ="Repo"Personally I think this is a company with serious delusions of grandeur, and they are the one party in all this I really don't trust.'"
I doubt many of us believe they have the trusts of the club at heart. What we do know is that they don’t muck about. The speed in which they are throwing up Media City is testament to that. I just hope they don’t find a way to get what they ultimately want without the hinderance of building our stadium.
Quote ="Repo"There are numerous grandiose infrastructure projects on their website but my personal favourite is described thus, "The visionary scheme will see Liverpool become one side of the ocean gateway to the North West, an international waterside destination to rival cities such as Dubai, Vancouver, New York and Shanghai.", from their press release dated 6th March 2007.'"
In the words of Manuel: ‘¿Que?’
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| i seen 2 guys with hard hats and high vis jackets on walking across the site on my way home at about half 2 ish today! first bit of movement i've seen on there for months!
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| Quote ="Chris Charles No1 Fan"According to the geordie fan, he was spounting on the train back from Warrington that it starts october 14th'"
That's akin to listening to Comical Ali about the fall of Baghdad!
Agreed the club need to come out and clarify what the current situation is, I think people will be able to accept the scaling down of the project and whatever other developments there are, it's the lack of communication that gets people annoyed.
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| Hope to have John Wilky at a Forever Reds meeting in the not too distant future & hopefully he will be able to clarify some of your questions. He has got a pretty full diary over the next couple of weeks including some evening/night meetings, but as soon as he has got a free Monday evening he will get in touch to arrange to come along .
Will inform on here when he has been in touch.
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| I am sure he has a full diary.
So do I.
Forget the Forever Reds meeting,all he needs to do is to talk to the Advertiser or,in some way communicate.
The prospect of a Forever Reds meeting,when his diary permits,is a sop.
Too little,too late.
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| correction!!!our north east friend informs me its starting on the 13th!
jcbs turning up at 9.13am !!!
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| Quote ="Chris Charles No1 Fan"According to the geordie fan, he was spounting on the train back from Warrington that it starts october 14th'"
No, no it doesn't.
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| Quote ="Teddington Red"I am sure he has a full diary.
So do I.
Forget the Forever Reds meeting,all he needs to do is to talk to the Advertiser or,in some way communicate.
The prospect of a Forever Reds meeting,when his diary permits,is a sop.
Too little,too late.'"
[iYou [/ihave a full diary? Pull the other on!? Cricket, Rugby and Travel. Sounds like a real bitch!!!
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| Quote ="Teddington Red"I am sure he has a full diary.
So do I.
Forget the Forever Reds meeting,all he needs to do is to talk to the Advertiser or,in some way communicate.
The prospect of a Forever Reds meeting,when his diary permits,is a sop.
Too little,too late.'"
The website is ready and waiting.
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| Quote ="Herbert's saggy ar$e"No, no it doesn't.'"
dont shoot the messanger. come on guys dont tell me you dont believe the geordie (salfords greatest ever loyal fan even though he only appeared 2 years ago)
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| Quote ="Teddington Red"I am sure he has a full diary.
So do I.
Forget the Forever Reds meeting,all he needs to do is to talk to the Advertiser or,in some way communicate.
The prospect of a Forever Reds meeting,when his diary permits,is a sop.
Too little,too late.'"
MOST fans would rather get the questions answered from John in person rather than some "EDITED" comments from any newspapers .
Think everybody knows what you say & what gets printed in newspapers is often very misguided & sometimes very removed from what was actually said in the interview.
Has it not occurred that what was printed in the Advertiser a couple of weeks ago may have not been what was actually quoted to them??????
Maybe the editor of the asaid paper is a fan of another club /doesn't like Salford or many other reasons & decided to run the story to put our club in a bad light???????
As I have said, John will come down to answer questions .a.s.a.p so you will just have to wait.
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| John has always been honest and open, BUT like many fans I feel let down at the moment by the lack of real trustworthy news from the club. We have an Official web site which could be used.
As for Forever Reds, John and the trust have established a great relationship and hope this continues, if you can't attend Shirl/Billysmum always asks for questions and does a detailed write up after so it shouldn't be a problem.
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| Quote ="Red Willow"John has always been honest and open, BUT like many fans I feel let down at the moment by the lack of real trustworthy news from the club. We have an Official web site which could be used.
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Exactly!
The truths better than the lies, just let us all know whats going on now! If there's no stadium to be had so be it I don't really care just spill the beans for the sake of clarity please!
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| Maybe there is a lack of official news because there is a chance the stadium may fall through completely and the club are working to prevent this. There is no point announcing that and recieving a backlash (from Widnes and Leigh especially) until there is no chance it is going to be built.
Thats the worst case scenario anyway.
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| Quote ="Red Willow"John has always been honest and open, BUT like many fans I feel let down at the moment by the lack of real trustworthy news from the club. We have an Official web site which could be used.'"
Thats what I've been saying as well RW.
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| looks like JW has his hands full with his proposed hotel at Buile Hill as well.As reported in the MEN and Advertiser today.
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| Look, we all accept John has done a fantastic job, and that his honesty at Forever Reds is to be commended.
The consensus,though,is that there should be something on the Clubs website.
That would overcome BBM doubts about the Advertisers alleged 'spin'.
Do we really feel they are bad guys simply because they have said something the Club doesn't like.
As Ferder said at the start,I think,nothing in that article has been shown to be wrong or even challenged!
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