Thats all very Zen of you,

So your definition is just losing to the same top teams but just not by as much as before.As long as you put on a good show.Sounds great.
Sorry but i want to see more teams winning or at least having a realistic chance to do so.

Is there not a massive disparity in Premier League football between the wealthy clubs like United, Chelsea and City compared to clubs like Southampton, Crystal Palace and Norwich City etc, etc??? In my opinion the wealthy clubs in football help the finances of smaller clubs by enhancing the profile of the league, gate reciepts, sponsorship and television revenue.

A question, how do you think the Premier League would rank now against la liga and the bundersliga if a salary cap and overseas quota has been brought in several years ago?

Bring in some form of system that allows for rich clubs to spend but the smaller clubs benefit from.

In simplistic terms you're allowed to spend over it but what ever you spend over it you equally have to pay into a pot.
So if you go £1000 over the cap you have to pay another £1000 into a pot, every penny that is spent over the cap by every club has to be doubly paid for.
Every club that then doesn't spend over the cap receives an equal amount of that money.

If Koucash or Moran want to throw 500K at a player over the cap, it, in real terms, costs you 1 million.

If scrapping the salary cap enticed more wealthy owners into the game,which by the way Dr Koukash said in his opinion it would,then what is so wrong with that.
Why do we feel the need to regulate the system and Dumb down to the lowest common denominator.Theres nothing wrong with striving for excellence and wanting to bring the best into our game.
If we had more star names in the game then that would generate more interest/revenues from TV,Sponsors and paying fans.Everyones a winner.

I couldn't agree more. High profile superstars puts bums on seats and attracts sponsorship, not poor quality close games.

The NFL manages just fine with a salary cap and there's a ridiculous amount of money there.

The problem is that people have unrealistic expectations of what rugby league can be as a sport. Unfortunately, I can't see it ever generating the kind of crowds and money that some people want it to get. We can strive to make it bigger and better than it is, but I don't think simply getting rid of the salary cap is going to magically do that.

That [iis[/i the definition. I never said it was great. But getting rid of the salary cap would only worsen matters.

I hope Bill Gates likes rugby league.

Nobody is suggesting that its going to be easy or that scrapping the cap will instantly cure all that is wrong but you have to start somewhere.A top priority has got to be to stop the loss of our best players to NRL and RU because of lack of ability to pay them what they are worth because of salary cap restrictions.
This problem with the NRL and RU is not going to go away and will only get worse.What we are currently seeing is only the start of an exodus of players to the NRL.If we dont fix it now them its going to be a slow drawn out slide into total mediocrity for SL and that wont be good for anyone,TV,Sponsors or Fans

Rugby league in Britain cannot control this. There just simply isn't enough money swilling around the game, regardless of the salary cap. So the question is rather what should the game do to improve itself for the people who still want to play in Super League and below, and the people that want to watch it.



Well we don't know that. There is debate over the size of the salary cap in RU and whether or not it is sustainable, even in the face of the deal with BT Sport. So RU has its insecurities too. In the last decade, the NRL has been through what Super League will go through with the loss of talent overseas. This, conversely, was the making of the NRL today. Its clubs had no choice but to bring new players through the ranks and disregard what the established talent was doing abroad. And those players became stars. My hunch is that rugby league in Britain does not have the standard of player coming through to fill the gaps. But we need to disregard that. The situation is what it is. The game can only promote what it has, and it can do so better than it does currently with the likes of Tomkins et al.

And scrapping the salary cap isn't the answer. Far from it.

So your answer is to sit back and do nothing,just cater for whatever is left after the NRL and RU have cherry picked all the talent they want.Who says there isnt enough money for clubs to take onboard a few quality star players.We dont know the answer to that because the salary cap is currently restricting clubs spending.

What would be the impact on SL if for instance SBW signed for a SL club.Would attendances at all the games he plays in go through the roof.Merchandising sales explode.Would sponsors and TV companies be falling over themselves to have a piece of the pie.Does that benefit all SL clubs and not just the one he signs for.Star players of this quality will pay their own salaries in increased revenues whilst at the same time increasing revenues for other clubs as well.

Its no good just sitting back and accepting a situation without even trying a new approach.

Look at the profile Wire gained when Johns came over for...wait for it...3 games

Agreed.

I reiterate my opening post and stress that I'm advocating a structure, without any concept of a salary cap, that should be left in place long term - which in itself would gradually attract in more funding to the whole game of Rugby League in this country (not just Super League).

It's done Soccer no harm. Of course there will always be clubs (Man Utd, Chelsea, Real Madrid, Juventus etc) that will be able to spend more on players than most other clubs in their respective leagues. But so what? That's life.

It's also sport; those clubs are then out there to be challenged. It was a fantastic achievement for Wigan to win the FA Cup - but I venture even sweeter given who they beat in the final.

Superleague is a business and any business that tries to maintain status quo and doesn't react to the competition is heading for failure.

So you genuinely believe that there are more than four clubs, no, scratch that, any club that can afford to spend £4m every year on players wages?



It is nothing new. Wigan monopolised the game in the free-for-all during the late 1980s and 90s punctured only by Widnes, who couldn’t keep up the player spend. Much of the commentary then was about how this domination was killing the game and how rugby league could be more competitive — levelling the playing-field. I have no faith in clubs not overspending to the point of bankruptcy, again.

I have no truck with marquee players being able to earn limitless amounts of money. The problem with doing away with the salary cap is that the wage demands from the bulk of decent, okay, take-em-or-leave-em players go up. And then you're left with the same problem.

I could go for a minimum spend of £1.5m with three designated marquee players that are exempt. That would allow for enough [ugenuine [/u talent to be kept in Super League without wage inflation. This, of course, brings its own problems; namely unprofessional things such as jealousy.

I agree this is a far better option than simply raising the cap to say £2.5m. The last thing we want to see is average players and their agents milking the sport for more than they are worth.

The answer is i dont know who can afford to spend £4m and who cant.Only the clubs themselves would know that but at least give them the option to do that if thats what they want to do.Rules and regulations would still be in place with the RFL to oversee what impact a clubs spending is having on their overall well being but we have to start trusting the Guys who are now running the SL clubs that they know what they are doing from a financial point of view.Like i have said earlier,if a club breaches those rules then they pay the penalty.
Times have changed and SL needs to start moving with those times.We cannot keep quoting what happened with Wigan as an example of why we should never try anything new again.
I am not saying that there should be no limits,but let the clubs themselves decide what their financial limits are.With the calibre of people who are now owning and running SL clubs i have more faith in their ability to do the right things than i do in the RFL doing it for them.

I agree that just because something has happened before, even if the ramifications were deep, it shouldn’t totally influence future policy. But you should certainly learn from history. And the biggest misjudgement anyone can make is that 'times have changed' to the point that nothing in history can ever relate to it. You realise this when looking through the last 140 years of rugby commentary. In many ways, most things have already happened before.

God,you lot are like a tramp that's found a tenner , it's. only 2minutes since you were fretting on survival and now you want to push others down that route.

How about paying the debts off before paying for new players

Zzzzzzzz....

Salfraud in with some money and want it scrapped.That is the best joke of the year.What you do when Koucash goes to a football club because is bored.

Salary cap evens all teams out and i think the cap should stay to upset Koucash.Need more fans firstly.



Manchester United and football rules Salfraud.

Do you wear a safety helmet permanently ?

I demand you cease and decist quote these fools as your undoing all my hard work foeing them.

They are like an annoying child ignore them and they go find someone else to play with.