What would people go with for Sunday personally id have a bit of a change around and stick a couple of young lads in.

1. Gibson
2. Broughton
3. Henry
4. Nero
5. Gleason / Clay
6. Ratchford ( by far our best player against saints )
7. Holdsworth
8. Cashmere
9. Smith
10. Boyle
11. Adamson
12. Spencer (played ok so far this season)
13. Wild

14. Parker
15. Owen ( lets give him a chance )
15. Jewitt
16. T.Adamson or another youngster?

I wouldn't play Fekka at the Saints game I know most of our player were but he was truly awful, the amount of tackles he missed was a disgrace. And I think I could of made just as much yardage as he did.

As much as i dislike McRae as coach, the players have to take some blame and Adam Sidlow should be dropped what is he 6ft 4 and he has bin truly shocking up till now, very disappointed with him as I quite liked him last season but id drop him for now.

Thoughts?

you know McRae does not change a lossing team apart from injures, so a shock win and he will drop Ratchford, becouse in 16 years he knowseverything, and us fans of 40 years plus know nothing

Totally agree Feka is a liability! We miss swain and alker for me - not replaced them and with worthy replacements who can tackle. Would like to see Ratchford feature and would like to see more of holdsworth

....comon reds!

I wouldn't be suprised to see Ratchford at fullback if Patten isn't fit to play and Sneyd come into the team. Would'nt be against this either if I'm honest. Nothing wrong with giving Sneyd another run, thought he did well end of last season when he came in due to injuries.

The license is all about developing young home grown players, if we don't give them a chance now when will we?!

Don't really see what people seen in Spencer, I don't mean to knock a young kidd trying to make his way in the game but if they not good enough at the end of they day they shouldn't be given a shirt. Wouldn't surprise me to see Spencer playing for likes of Swinton, Oldham and Rochdale in future years.

As for the team, if he's going mix it up, put Wild in 2nd row, move Holdsworth to Loose and try Ratchford and Snyed. Think that would give us a better kicking game and seen as young Sneyd is getting a name for himself at 'kickin 40:20' I think this would benefit the team and the forwards don't seem to be making the yards.

I said before last weeks game that Toby Adamson should be in the 17, from what i have seen of him in the u/20's he is very impressive.

id go with a few new comers in the side!! theres a pint sized pair of brothers i know who can drink for england who would be good in the halves! theres a big guy bigger than feka with a north east accent who could play prop!theres a group of strange looking individuals who like to war pink hats and wigs who could fill the front row and the big fat steward who guards the narrowest tunnel in super league who could play second row!...then there are a couple of decent looking ball boys who show off there skills on the touchlines that could be fighting over the full back postion,as for hooker we could get a real one in from behind piccawilly train station!!any thoughts???

Would love to see Ratchford and Sneyd as our half back partnership but doubt it will ever happen under Mcrae. Think you are being harsh on Spencer. I reckon he has looked ok albeit in two poor team performances.

And yet that's exactly what happened in the game against Hull KR towards the back end of last season.

Before, anybody else gets chopped I'd have Parker out of there straight away. When first arrived I was really impressed by his work ethic, but then McRae tried to turn him back into a prop. Bad move for player and club alike. He needs taking out of the team for a few weeks, and told to go and hit as many tackle pads as possible in that time. Then he might be ready to play back row again.

Spencer's missed less tackles then most, see Gibson's or Wild's stat's, and he's made more yards per carry than Parker, Sidlow, Neal and probably more. So I'd keep him in the team.

As someone else mentioned, Sneyd's kicking game could really help us out with the forwards making so few yards.

We could go with:

Ratchford
Gibson
Henry
Nero
Broughton
Holdsworth
Sneyd
Cashmere
Smith
Jewitt
Adamson
Sidlow (I'd stick with him as we're short and he isn't the most useless)
Wild

Feka (doubt he'll get any better without any game time)
Boyle
Gleeson (if fit)
Spencer

I see Julien Rinaldi is Ok to play for Wakefield,after being found guilty and fined 500 quid, despite being cited for a grade B offence which carry's a 1-2 match ban if found guilty and a max fine of 300 quid, the panel appear to have gone against the sentencing guidelines on this one. They state that a fine may not be used in place of a ban, I think they must have misread it somewhere along the lines.

I wouldn't have Sneyd in the team, im not one for knocking a young lad but he really didn't impress me when he played in the games last season. Id much rather have Owen at hooker and Smith & Holdsworth at half if ratchford is at full back.

I'd defo mix Otho with some of our fresh talent.

Parker is not superleague fit. He is unhealthy and out of shape. Warrington didn't off load for know reason. He impressed in 2009 but has been hiding behind our teams overall performances. He needs to be dropped for a young fit enthusiastic new comer. AKA TOBY ADAMSON this is guy is more than ready for 1st team action and will shine when he geta the chance. A breath of fresh air and twice thr player Parker is. If it's experience your going to argue. We need to take chances at this point at experience in our aged signings has so far got us no were.

My only worry is once McRae gets his claws into him he may end up demoralising him like the rest of our should be blossoming youth.

Seriously. MCCRAE OUT.

PS I would be more than willing to join any protest after the Wigan game. Let's get it organised. !!!

I've never understood why people demand that an under-performing team be replaced by a bunch of kids?

I seem to remember a very young Malcolm Alker becoming Salford's youngest ever captain when he led out a team of kids against Halifax away a good few years ago, after a large number of our 'stars' of the time were dropped after a series of poor results/performances. That team got battered all over the Shay as I remember and I thoroughly expect the same would happen to a team of kids at Belle Vue on Sunday.

Hit the nail on the head there mate, i agree 100%. Even if some of our players have bad games you don't just drop them for young (weaker) inexperianced kids, who no doubt will try hard but as FL has said are nowhere near ready for first team. In my opinion Jack Spencer, Adam Neal, are 2/3 years off mixing it with the big boys of super league, were getting hit hard in the forwards this year and i think its down to promoting young lads who arn't ready. We get rid of big phil and swain and promote Jack Spencer and Adam Neil i know both try as hard as the previous players yet they just arn't experianced or strong enough to give the team anything.

(awaits Ave it to reply with the Eccles bias)

This is the very kind of thing that makes British rugby league look a complete and utter joke. Throw the book at Salford with 3 suspentions, two of which were picked up in friendly matches yet they let off a Wakey player because they obviously feel sympathy for them.

I tell you something if it was a Salford player up before the RL he would have been banned. Where is the consistency Cummings?

Yeah I agree to a certain extent, we can't just throw kids into a losing team hoping they will turn it around because more often than not it will turn out worse. It's ideal to drip feed youngsters into a winning team that's full of confidence like Wigan, Saints etc. But we're not Wigan or Saints so when is the ideal time to put our youngsters in? It's a difficult one, but I suggest giving a couple of them a chance Toby Adamson, Gareth Owen, Mark Sneyd and Adam Clay all have something to prove and maybe they will inject a bit of much needed enthusiasm/passion into the squad. Yes they will make mistakes that's a given, but for the love of Christ they can't to any worse than what we're witnessing at the moment.

For me I'd like to see.

Ratchford ( I would like to see him partner Holdsworth on a regular basis, but whilst we have injuries get him at FB. Can tackle, good safe hands and can chime into the line to act as 3rd halfback)

Broughton ( Fast and powerful everything a winger should be, wasted at Salford under McRae only touches the ball when scooting the ball out of our half)

Henry ( Needs to improve his defence, far too many tries being leaked down his centre)

Nero ( Ermm not too sure yet, seen glimpses of good stuff but undecided)

Gibson ( like Henry Defence seems his week point, often fly's out of position and gets caught out)

Sneyd ( Good kicking game, did alright last year and the experience will have done him the world of good)

Holdsworth ( Classy player as we all know, just needs the forwards to start dominating otherwise it might as well be me playing 7)

Cashmere ( Best forward by about 17,0000000000 country miles)

Smith ( Was impressed with him at Cardiff, still don't really see him as anything special though)

Boyle ( Get him in now his ban is up he can't do any worse)

L.Adamson ( Needs a big season and to show more than just his defensive side although at this moment in time its more then welcome)

Spencer ( Played well so far in two poor performances makes yards when he has the ball and hasn't done too much wrong)

Wild ( A Grafter always willing to take the ball in, makes plenty of tackles. Only problem is he misses plenty as well)

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Jewitt ( People always say It's going to be Jewitts year. Needs to improve IMO, gets dominated on contact far too much)

Owen ( Played well at the back end last year and we have no other options in this department with Godwin suspended)

Feka ( Either him or Neal only gone for Feka for his experience)

Sidlow ( Been dire in the first couple of games, but does have the ability to make things happen in attack just needs to toughen up in Defence)

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Parker ( Just not up to it, makes about 2 meters every drive)
Neal ( Maybe worth a place on the bench instead of jewitt or given a go in the back row instead of Spencer?)
Patten ( Injured)
Godwin (Suspended)
Anderson ( Injured)
Bailey ( Injured)
Gleeson ( Injured??)
Clay ( maybe worth a shot if we go for Gibson at fullback with Ratchford and Holdsworth in half's and then Clay on the wing?)
T. Adamson ( No place for him just yet, but from the reports I've heard it won't be too much longer)



5 of our new signings sitting it out!!!




And I was well and truely sozzled when i wrote that, FWIW I too think Jack is a couple of years being ready, but IMO he's been one of our better performers this season.

By the way my Eccles bias comments still stand

That is a much bigger pack than ours, you should steamroller us to be honest. Not saying you will but you should.

To be fair Lee really stepped up on Friday if stats are to be believed, at Cardiff he only managed 36 meters in only 5 carries and made 19 tackles, no tackle busts, no offloads and no clean breaks.

On Friday he changed all that 92 meters in 10 carries, 37 tackles and 2 tackle busts, 3 offloads & 1 clean break.

Compare that to our best forward (The great Raymondo) its only 2 meters less, 4 less carries and 14 more tackles, 1 less tackle bust, the same offloads and a clean break more.

None too shabby at all.

I'll bow down to your statistical knowledge then. To be fair I was steaming on Friday in case you didn't notice

after being out since 1 so don't remember that much of the game ( thank god).

My point still stands regarding Jewitt though for me he tends to get dominated far too much. I understand he might read the board and this is by no way a slagging off as he got great potential. We just really need our props to step up and Jewitt seems to have all the hype surrounding him every year, which he never seems to fulfil although to be fair injuries haven't helped.

Martin you have come up with a brilliant Idea, get McRae steaming and then he can see what we see and sort it out, no wonder he has seen nothing because he has been sober in the past.

Just beggars belief - OK Patten's injury is just very unfortunate but come on coaching staff - 2 games in to a new season and 5 new signings missing - WTF is going on?

I can't rememeber us ever steamrollering anybody, but there's a first time for everything I suppose.

They just can't cope with the physical demands of our intense training!

Just a couple of things. How many tackles did Jewitt and Ray miss? Who did each player 'bust' in the tackle? Were the offloads made by each player effective and/appropriate? What circumstances led to the respective clean breaks made? (I.e., was there a big gaping hole that my mum could've gone through or was it a genuine line break involving the domination of an opposing player? Presuming it wasn't as a result of genius fotwork of course...)