Some interesting figures. Moving to the new ground will fail to improve Salford financially as a lot of revenue avenues have been blocked with, refreshments and sponsorship. I feel it will be only a matter of time before we follow the Bulls. Personally the buck has to stop with board members. Tarry has gone (maybe he knew what was round the corner and offered his resignation so he would crow away like the coward he is) Wilkinson and Clague will be next to come under fire. I don't know how the clubs fortunes can be changed unless the debts are wiped.

You really are clueless as to how a business operates!

Ask who are the debts owed to? Answer, the largest amounts are owed to JW

Who will "Wilkinson and Clague will be next to come under fire" from? Given that JW owns something over 82% of the shares and therefore has complete control of the company are you saying he will come under fire from himself?

I don't think anyone who has taken a look at the published accounts would describe the situation as rosy, but given that JW has stated publicly that he is looking for other investors what else are you suggesting?

Your post doesn't really add much to the debate IMHO!

Surely your the one who is clueless?

So because the club (SCR) is debt and the majority share holder is JW, you seem to think everything is fine? Are you for real? How can you accept that the company is continuing to run at a loss with no signs of improvement?

What I'm suggesting, would Wilkinson accept debt of Wilkinson Star and let the people of running the organization get away with it. I can accept JW wants investment but it appears that it's accepted that we just lose monies. Why has there been no change in the set up which is clearly flawed and incompetence within the rank?

I won`t enter into the debate whether or not you are clueless Mr Programme Thrower as there is enough evidence on these forums from your previous posts to allow a Judge an easy decision.

However with regard to the Company you are merely stating the obvious. JAW & Co have clearly had enough of supporting the Company financially and unless EITHER the good people of Salford start supporting this great club in numbers or the Fairy Godfather that yourself Dantes Inferno, Mitie & lancetodd maintain is just around the corner appears then I agree that the inevitable will occur.

Unlike the four of you I do not apportion any blame on the Board who have allowed us to watch such wonderful spectacles as last night through their unpaid efforts as Directors and their financial generosity over the years.

I would not blame them one bit if they say enough is enough and just walk away at the end of the season. Whether they do or not would be all down to their own cash flow. We - as fans - have been very fortunate.

If you take the trouble to read BF's post he is far from clueless and he has not stated that everything is fine as you suggest.

PT isn't far from the truth. Rumours suggest we're on the brink of going to the wall. I for one can't see any improvments in a business sense that justified this move. Free tickets are being given out left right and centre ever since this move, proving this project is failing even bumping up the attendances when we all know there's been no improvement whatsoever with the exception of more away support, and there never will be any improvement with this current leadership. The board actually thought a new stadium would solve everything. Well Mr Salford has failed us again WE SEEN IT COMING JOHN but you continue to fail in all you do with Salford RLFC. I'm sure your ass will be licked as usual by the blinkered love fest even when you lead us to the wall. How JW gets away with it in my eyes is nothing short of unbelievable. No wonder nobody wants to invest in this board or Salford, especially if the past 30 years are anything to go by. You must be mad to enter a business with this man.

You Early Bath clearly have been indoctrinated by Wilkinson and co. So your blaming the Salford public for the demise of the club? If you went out with a survey for the good people of Salford and asked when do they play next or who was Salford's last result against, if out of 100 I'd be shocked if 10 new the answer. Now, whose fault is that then? The good people of Salford or the impenetrable people that work in the marketing and media departments you so seem to think? To blame to public is incredibly naive of your self. Then again you think We the paying fans have been very fortunate. Fortunate for what? Watching countless beatings over the years, like the one at Bradford in 2000 I think. What about promises of an iconic stadium? You think fans are fortunate to go to the club shop on their dinner only to find it's shut, then they go to call up to find no phone line has been installed? These are tip of the tongues examples but one could delve into the past there are numerous occasion the club has been shown to be amateurish at best. Remind me again who you think are the fortunate ones, the fans for the years of constant dribble or the club for the loyal 3000 who stick by them regardless.

Could you two not mount a joint bid for the club? Presumably you're both wealthy men, given your obvious business expertise. It's about as likely as Fred Done / Pete Waterman / Rio Ferdinand etc. etc. making a bid.

And no DI, please don't take this as a ringing endorsement of Wilkinson's reign. I would be interested to know though given (admittedly possibly too little, too late) the sacking of Tarry, the bringing in of management consultants and the utter dearth of potential investors (no, don't insist that there might be a sheikh with an interest in rugby league lurking somewhere in Higher Broughton), what changes would you now like to see?

I have long thought that PT & DI are one and the same and the similarity tonight in their responses (note the use of paragraphs etc). Mitie is probably a Swinton Fan & lancetodd just likes to be miserable - watch his face when Salford are doing well as he`s likely to be glum. When we are not performing he will be beaming. Just the way he is I suppose.

Now then PT or DI - whichever. I am a realist and have my own views. I dont know the back room staff (except Andrew who comes over well) so I am not privy to their performances but I agree the lack of marketing especially this season is there for all to see.

Look at Barton Airfield - their open day is tomorrow July 1st and I would guess everyone driving down the A57 would know about it - with notices every few yards - whereas even the finest mystic in the world driving down the same road wouldnt have known about our match v Warrington. Poor effort from the club.

Anyway as stouffer says - whats the alternative approach from you two? What is your plan? What can you come up with? What income can you produce to pay the overheads in the next month of app £200k? No matches in that time so its a tall order for you. Come on lads - you deride the Board - now come up with what you propose? We (the fans) are all ears.

The club was losing money before JW took over, Brian Snape sold the Variety centre in 1976 to ease cashflow, the year Salford were Champions for the second time in 3 seasons but still the money wasn't coming in. The last 30 odd years has seen the same, Salford is not and never has been a rugby city, and as for a survey of 100 people I bet only 10 could answer who United's last opponents were at the end of last season. It is not only the club who are poor marketing, but the media coverage in general is very poor, this afternoon on the BBC news we got to see one Salford try and three of Wigans yet we had a massive victory hastly passed over. The Guardian covered the Wigan game and the local paper the MEN covered all three of last nights matches in one story and didn't send a reporter as it was a sindicated press story, the local radio station BBC Manchester based in Salford covered Wigan as usual. So it is an uphill struggle for Salford to actually get some stuff out there but the club are visiting schools out of the area that is marketing but the best advert was last night, just a pity so few people watch Rugby league on Sky.

To be fair you all have ago at Programme thrower for telling the truth. Would it surprise any of us if we become insolvent tomorrow? No it wouldn't! We're not that far behind Bradford and before anymore here asks how I know that, I've had enough meetings with the board because I'm a concerned fan and they've told me the same. Salford RLFC will do well to last more than 5 years in the top flight! (Awaits abuse from ex salford uni and the rest of the Salford will win everything brigade!)

DI,PT,MM Etc are they Neil Barkers informants/fans who are continually being quoted in his articles?

Insolvent? All clubs in SL bar none (actually Wakey maybe in the black) are insolvent - London - £8 mill, Fartown - £7 mill, Reds - £5 mill - the game as a whole is a financial disgrace.

Phew! What a relief! I was worried that after Friday night people on here would be talking about the performance, praising the players and all that rubbish (the Bradford board has 14 pages on the build up and aftermath of their game), but it's good to see we're straight back on to the serious business of this board: criticising the club over things we don't really understand.

I'm actually surprised it is only £5 million,

If you factor in that Wilky has been in charge for 30 years losing £166 grand per year isn't that bad a result, it's just one major sponsor.

We honestly aren't that far away.

Big Pev, sometimes I understand your points and I tend to agree to not on most things. Your comment it's a shame RL is not seen by many who purchase Sky Sports. As I understand it, I thought RL is highly regarded by the broadcasters, I've seen on this website before that is boasts some of the best figures behind the Premier League, so I don't understand where your getting your information from. As spreading the word about SCR into schools, I think Patten and Moon went to a school in CHESHIRE. Now I'm all for getting the players into schools, it should be encouraged more, tickets and freebies handed out to gain an interest. Why the club chose to send players to Cheshire is bizarre from my point of view, surely they should be concentrating on school within Salford and to a point Manchester. I think there is a Cas fan a teacher from a school in Manchester and comments the club doing good work. So Salford and Manchester must be the targeted areas not Cheshire when Warrington have now become a force, does Widnes come under Cheshire also? As to Ave it's post, I know I speak the truth and I don't come out with wild accusations, it's just because people on this site don't like being told how poorly the club is run and they'd rather thank the guy whose run us into the ground instead of questions his leadership. Thanks for the support though, nice to see everyone isn't as blinkered as certain people on this site.

I'm sorry if you feel anything I write here is abusive. I'm pretty vocal about that being one of my issues with the quality of 'debate' on here and it's not something I look to engage in.

You've equally misunderstood my position when it comes to the club. We're broke, I get it. I've made that very point many times. I just don't see what's to gain from whining about it like children. It seems if your objective here isn't to apportion blame and moan repeatedly then you've got your blinkered head up the club's ars*.

Nobody is under the illusion that everything's rosy, but there are more productive discussions to be had than the tired, derisive b*llocks from certain members on this thread.

Approx 5 years ago we had posters up around the city including a bill board on the Barton stretch that was prominent. Now there is nothing but a scruffy sign with the club logo. At the very least we should be promoting forthcoming fixtures on this board. Thousands of vehicles pass the stadium every day, many in the rush hour when the a57 is a car park for two hours and couldn't fail to notice any promotions.

The info provided on the clubs facebook page cannot be faulted but for anyone who doesn't use social media sites or the casual fan who doesn't seek out info we need to do more to publicise the club. Supporters buses were put on from Irlam station on Friday. My auntie was on the bus after the game and there was a handful of people on there. A couple of Warrington fans said nobody knew about the service.

Father Ted the Bus service was advertised on the club site and copied onto here, what more can they do, First Bus put up timetables in the Bus stops but these bear no resemblance to the actual service, it doesn't amtter if it was plastered all over the place why would Warrington fans know about it? I wouldn't know what other clubs are doing unless I went on their club site. Salford fans were on here moaning it only went from Irlam station, see i knew about it and i live nowhere near Irlam.

"To be fair you all have ago at Programme thrower for telling the truth. Would it surprise any of us if we become insolvent tomorrow? No it wouldn't!"

No but that does not meean PT is telling the truth: not an objective one.
The evidence is there that we have been punching above our weight for 40+ years. We have stayed the course simply because Mr Wilkinson has kept us going: compare to our local rivals Leigh, Oldham and Rochdale. We were comparable to these teams in the 80's, 90's and to the SL era.

Now the inevitable is to happen, some posters get out the knives: they have enjoyed being able to watch SuperLeague for most of the era whilst our local rivals have, as businesses, failed. That they exist is down to some very loyal businessmen, some very generous fans, and that the RL family do not want any of these historic greats go.

You, with the knives, maximise the negatives, blame the board for facing up to the Barton move with the associated issues of losing several funding streams, and even whinge when the club goes into Cheshire to maximise marketing.

Have you written to the board to ask about signing, posters, and news input? Have you enquired about other business matters? Or is it you are whingers?

Patten and Moon are both sponsored by Cheshire businesses that seem to be getting more involved with the club (Flowcrete and Steuer Gregsson) - I'd hazard a guess that has something to do with that school visit.

So by that logic we shall be seeing Matty Ashurst at schools in [url=http://wtbs.co.uk/Nelson, Burnley[/url shortly?

So by that logic we shall be seeing Matty Ashurst at schools in [url=http://wtbs.co.uk/Nelson, Burnley[/url shortly?

I wasn't suggesting that they went to that area just because there are sponsors from that area, I was speculating that those sponsors may have facilitated it happening. So if WT Building Services want to help us forge links in Burnley, then sure.

Absolutely correct Iain - Mrs Isherwood (SG owners wife) is Head Teacher at the school. Messrs Moon & Patten were excellent Ambassadors as well.