That really does make depressing reading, God we're sh**

Was looking through some of the drubbings since McRae has been in charge last night and there is plenty of games where we were dreadful and didn't get hammered or it just fell short of 40. 36-6 at Wakefield last year being a classic example.

i dont mind getting beat - i do mind gutless performances with no fight or willingness to actually try something innovative in the game, basically anything which deviates from the grand plan of getting the kicked out off us by five drives and a kick. You know the type of performance that we have seen in the last few seasons - where we are beaten before kick off.

Sorry about using the term drive, I dont really know short way of writing walking on to the ball reaching the defensive line by letting the opposition come to me and then lying down as soon as they touch me to 1) save the oppositions energy for winning the game 2) reduce the club's cleaning bills.

I would have thought andy gregory and karl harrisons would have been better than that. This as supprised me and certainly need alot of improvement and can not see us getting any better only worse under shaun mcrae

Do you also have to reappraise the Harvey era?