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| Quote I would rather watch three close games between Saints and Leeds than 1 close game and two walkovers with Salford and Widnes...
I already suggested a league cup idea too.'"
Like the Hull walkover of the Reds the day you wrote this clap trap
Give the game time for the young English players to come through.
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| Quote ="Chang"This is just a smokescreen for the "big clubs" to get a bigger slice of the pie ala Champions League in soccer.
Peacock and Co. urge for fewer clubs because they play to many games, when in reality what they want is to reduce the SL games so they can have the top clubs in the UK play the top clubs in the NRL. What you will end up with is the top teams playing the same number of games as they currently do but getting a bigger share of the cash as they will be in the end of season money spinner unlike the remaining teams.What will happen is the smaller struggling clubs will get reduced income and as such some will go to the wall, the bigger clubs will benifit in the short term with more cash but the viability for Sky will diminish as the number of solvent clubs shrinks and teams start playing each other 4 times a year thus the cash cow dies. For me the whole package wants revamping to add interest, the SL should start in March in line with the NRL and the Grand Finals should be in sync, internationally the World Cup should be every 4 years and the Four Nations Every 4 years, inbetween the Four Nations and World Cup we should have an extended World Club Challenge Tournanent. This would give a grandstand finish to every season in late October early November with the world club championship every other year giving a larger talent pool the chance to play at international intensity. This in turn will benifit the international game as we get more competitive games between the hemispheres and increase the exposure, as there is no other tournaments on the go at this time of the year and Sky would hype it up no end, this is a win win for me as clubs would have an international competition to aspire to and the England/Great Britain Selectors would have more chance to see players at the elite level outside of test matches.'"
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| Quote ="Starbug"These players, are they the ones who would still be in SL after this ' reduction '? , or are they the ones who would become part time and have to do a real job before training every night, then play for winning money only?'"
Division 2 would be full time also.
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| Quote ="Wheels"Division 2 would be full time also.'"
And where would the money come from for 2 FT divisions?
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| Quote ="Wheels"Division 2 would be full time also.'"
That would require the remaining SL 1 clubs to still only have the same TV money as present, and SKY be willing to give the other 4 teams share to SL 2
Some would suggest that is unlikely
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| Quote ="wire quin"Like the Hull walkover of the Reds the day you wrote this clap trap
Give the game time for the young English players to come through.'"
I think you are mistaking Hull for one of the better teams
Quote ="Starbug"Quote ="Wheels"Division 2 would be full time also.'"
That would require the remaining SL 1 clubs to still only have the same TV money as present, and SKY be willing to give the other 4 teams share to SL 2
Some would suggest that is unlikely'"
The RFL get the money for selling the rights to the top tier, then they pass it on to the clubs and other projects, how they divide it should be up to them and they should do that for the good of the game as a whole.
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| Quote ="Hopie"I think you are mistaking Hull for one of the better teams
The RFL get the money for selling the rights to the top tier, then they pass it on to the clubs and other projects, how they divide it should be up to them and they should do that for the good of the game as a whole.'"
Yes but with only a 10 team top tier SKY might not consider it being worth as much
And ultimatly it is the clubs that have the final say in the breakdown of the money
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| Quote ="Starbug"That would require the remaining SL 1 clubs to still only have the same TV money as present, and SKY be willing to give the other 4 teams share to SL 2
Some would suggest that is unlikely'"
The RFL should make them. The remaining Sky money could be divvied out for 10 full-time teams in division 2 too.
As I keep saying, it'll never happen anyway, so it doesn't matter.
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| Quote ="Wheels"The RFL should make them. The remaining Sky money could be divvied out for 10 full-time teams in division 2 too.
As I keep saying, it'll never happen anyway, so it doesn't matter.'"
Isn't that french tv channel now financially backing catalan? if thats the case surely that would release another million+ that could be put towards increasing the number of fully pro clubs
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| Quote ="Starbug"Yes but with only a 10 team top tier SKY might not consider it being worth as much
And ultimatly it is the clubs that have the final say in the breakdown of the money'"
Sky should calculate the worth of the product on a combination of hours of programming, number of viewers and advertising revenues - I see nothing in the ten team top tier structure that would decrease these, they should if anything increase. As with the clubs they should be convinced that the long term benefits far outweigh any short term concerns.
Ryan Hall scoring in the corner is the most exciting thing to ever happen at the New Wembley and one of the few occasions Rugby league registered on the national radar in the SL era. The future of the game needs England to win and regularly compete in tournaments and for the general public to see this, a well structured league system with a top tier where the players have to be at and give their best every time they take the field is the best chance we have of achieving this.
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| [url=http://www.loverugbyleague.com/blogpost_467-an-alternative-league-structure-.htmlHere's my idea in a little more detail...[/url
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| The current deal is worth 18m between 14 clubs, it is signed for the next 5 (inc this one) years.
Your two divisions on Sky has salary cap totals worth £28m between 20 teams. To cover those payments our 5 year £90m TV broadcasting contract would need to be a 5 year £140m contract, and what do sky get in return for an extra £10m per year? 9 fewer rounds of Super League or 18 games, and 2 fewer SL play off rounds, taking the number of SL play offs sky screen from 9 down to 3 and 18 games from what is in effect, a new name for the championship, a league which Sky weren’t prepared to pay anything for,
Premier Sports meanwhile don’t pay anything of note for the championships, yet the best teams are taken out of this league, but somehow they are going to find £6m a year to cover the costs of 8 teams with a £750k SC.
Its simply not realistic. We struggled for years to find a broadcaster for the 2nd tier, we aren’t going to get one which pays enough to sustain a £6m in salaries for the 3rd tier.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"The current deal is worth 18m between 14 clubs, it is signed for the next 5 (inc this one) years.
Your two divisions on Sky has salary cap totals worth £28m between 20 teams. To cover those payments our 5 year £90m TV broadcasting contract would need to be a 5 year £140m contract, and what do sky get in return for an extra £10m per year? 9 fewer rounds of Super League or 18 games, and 2 fewer SL play off rounds, taking the number of SL play offs sky screen from 9 down to 3 and 18 games from what is in effect, a new name for the championship, a league which Sky weren’t prepared to pay anything for,
Premier Sports meanwhile don’t pay anything of note for the championships, yet the best teams are taken out of this league, but somehow they are going to find £6m a year to cover the costs of 8 teams with a £750k SC.
Its simply not realistic. We struggled for years to find a broadcaster for the 2nd tier, we aren’t going to get one which pays enough to sustain a £6m in salaries for the 3rd tier.'"
I concour , I just didn't want to be the one to p155 on his chips
We have what we have , just more thought and work needed to improve what we have and where we are heading to in the future
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| I know it will never happen, but it's what we should work towards I think.
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| Quote ="Wheels"I know it will never happen, but it's what we should work towards I think.'"
The ' structure ' is fine , the financial costings are way out and the match numbers are the issue , other than that , bring it on
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| Two divisions isnt sustanable. Sky would care about Superleague and thats it. There just isnt enough money in the game for it to work. The focus should be about how to get SL up to scratch and more competitive. Splitting the league is a simple solution.
I dont see why people assume that the NRL can do it without promotion/relegation but SL can not.
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| Quote ="liger05"Two divisions isnt sustanable. Sky would care about Superleague and thats it. =#FF0000There just isnt enough money in the game for it to work. The focus should be about how to get SL up to scratch and more competitive. Splitting the league is a simple solution.
I dont see why people assume that the =#FF0000NRL can do it without promotion/relegation but SL can not.'"
The NRL doesn't have the monsters of the Premier League and Champions Leagues on their doorstep , effectively taking the vast majority of the money that goes into sport in Britain/Europe , it is just that simple
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| Im not sure it is.
What we need to do is improve the product of SL until it reaches a level where we have a surplus. A surplus of money and a surplus of players. At that point it can filter down to the lower leagues. I can appreciate the principle in investing in the lower leagues and using them as a foundation, the problem is that the SL financially supports pretty much the entire game. If SL is weakened the entire game is weakened.
What we need to focus on is our product. Realistically we have one product, SL, we are developing another quite nicely International RL, There is, I think, merit in pursuing another product, international club RL. If we can have those three, successful products to sell to broadcasters I think we can start to move towards more virtuous cycles. Where RL isn’t a poor relation in terms of Salary and the game can attract more, better players, improving the game, improving the product increasing its value and allowing us to attract more better players and so on. This then filters down to the lower leagues when a better standard of player cant get a game in SL, so they drop down, improving the lower leagues, improving that league, improving the quality of their product, improving its value and allowing it to produce more, better players again increasing its quality an as so its value and so on.
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| Quote ="Starbug"The NRL doesn't have the monsters of the Premier League and Champions Leagues on their doorstep , effectively taking the vast majority of the money that goes into sport in Britain/Europe , it is just that simple'"
But splitting the league doesnt remove those monsters. Splitting the league will not guarantee that every club spends up to the salary cap.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA":6qw83cq4Im not sure it is.
What we need to do is improve the product of SL until it reaches a level where we have a surplus. A surplus of money and a surplus of players. At that point it can filter down to the lower leagues. I can appreciate the principle in investing in the lower leagues and using them as a foundation, the problem is that the SL financially supports pretty much the entire game. If SL is weakened the entire game is weakened.
What we need to focus on is our product. Realistically we have one product, SL, we are developing another quite nicely International RL, There is, I think, merit in pursuing another product, international club RL. If we can have those three, successful products to sell to broadcasters I think we can start to move towards more virtuous cycles. Where RL isn’t a poor relation in terms of Salary and the game can attract more, better players, improving the game, improving the product increasing its value and allowing us to attract more better players and so on. =#FF0000:6qw83cq4This then filters down to the lower leagues when a better standard of player cant get a game in SL, so they drop down, improving the lower leagues, improving that league, improving the quality of their product, improving its value :6qw83cq4and allowing it to produce more, better players again increasing its quality an as so its value and so on.'" , having players drop down from SL would not increase the value of those clubs to the paying supporters and local businessmen who finance these clubs
TV revenue props up 80-90 % of SL , without it we would have a 3-4 team league
The Championships need to go in a different direction to SL , as you have rightly said in the past , they are essentially 2 different sports
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| Quote ="liger05"But splitting the league doesnt remove those monsters. Splitting the league will not guarantee that every club spends up to the salary cap.'"
Not saying it would on either accoumt , just pointing out why the NRL operates differently , and why we will never be able to work that way
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| Like to bet that all the Im alright Jacks who assume their club would be in a reduced league would soon change their tunes if they were under threat.
Anyhow how can the game be perceived by the general public to be progressing if they see a reduction in competing teams.
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| Quote ="jacques"Like to bet that all the Im alright Jacks who assume their club would be in a reduced league would soon change their tunes if they were under threat.
Anyhow how can the game be perceived by the general public to be progressing if they see a =#FF0000:4us7ebl6reduction in competing teams.[/
That perception only works if you only see SL as RL
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| The public perception would be that the number of top flight clubs has reduced.
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| Quote ="TheElectricGlidingWarrior"The public perception would be that the number of top flight clubs has reduced.'"
Do the ' public ' have a perception of RL at all?
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