The point is that, whoever Cas play on their left flank score try's for fun.
Solomona, Eden, it doesn't seem to matter. Even Hitchcox was in on the act yesterday with 2 top finishes.
When it comes to playing the Kiwis or Aussies, we just dont get that type of space and whoever plays on the flanks will get a fair bit more work to do in defence and I dont think Eden is the guy for that.
Hall may just be going past his peak and is not as quick as some of our other options but, defensively he's very good and can do some of the graft coming away from our line as well.

Pretty much any winger in SL would have score 30 tries on cas' left wing this season and had he been at any other club I doubt eden would have been in double figures for tries. Talk of him playing for England is laughable. We need 2 big wingers who can carry the ball well early in the sets out of our own 20. Get a poor start to our sets and we'll have our backs to the wall all game

Cronk and Smith certainties but I expect Tedesco to play 1, the 6 jersey up for grabs between three or four players.

I agree with you though it looked like an obvious advantage in the Origin decider to have all those Melbourne players in the spine of the team.

I still believe, though somewhat unfashionably, that we would benefit from an origin/counties representative competition in this country.

I have to admit I'm with you on this one Jake. We put Milner on the left wing for a game last season to cover for injuries and he scored 2!! I think Eden has the potential for the future, but there is a lot he needs to work on to make it on the international stage. If there is room then I wouldn't be against having him in the squad purely to get him used to what its all about, but shouldn't be anywhere near the matchday 17 just yet. Hall and McGilvary for me on the wings purely for how they can bring the ball out in yardage, and McGilvary's ability to bring the ball out strong and also gain a penalty trying to get up to play the ball quick is invaluable at international level to me. I would have Shenton playing inside Hall though. It's also a shame that young Johnstone from Wakey got injured as I think he would have benefitted by being around the squad too, he has the size and pace to make an International winger IMO, together with Manfredi from Wigan. I think we have good future choices for wingers, but for this year tried and tested has to be the way to go.

I'm not that overly impressed by Eden's SL form to think that he's ready for games against Australia and New Zealand

Hall and McGillvary will play in the big games if both are fit
I think that Zak should be Full Back, So much so that I wouldn't even take Sam Tomkins in the squad to the World Cup,But I'm sure that his Seat has already been booked

It's such a shame Dom Manfredi got that bad injury last season because he could've really pushed McGillvary and Hall last year and this year. He's a real handful and physically he'd be able to cope with the demands of international rugby league.

He's due back within the next couple of weeks but it would seem too late for him to get a run together. In truth he may not get his place straight back because Tom Davies is in fabulous form for us.

Manfredi would certainly be in the squad if fit.

Wayne Bennett has seen and played Eden and said no thanks.

I agree about Manfredi. He was on fire last season. He also has the build to make it on the international level.

However he's going to need a huge run of games when he's back to convince Bennett to pick him.

Eden couldn't have done any more than was asked of him this season, but I still wouldn't have him in the squad. Not in the same league physically as Hall & McGilvary.

Well we've seen previously, i can't remember if it was last year or the series before, we started with hall and joe burgess, and for all joe's size, he doesn't run out or start sets as hard as hall and mcgillveray does, not a criticism just strengths and weaknesses.

So what we've learnt from this thread is that Eden doesn't have the build for internationals, Manfredi does.

The same Manfredi who is only an inch taller but 9lbs lighter than Eden?

Ok, sure thing.

Eden went over to Australia a bang average player & came back a bang average player, he's far from international standard

Players weights on the internet are not accurate at all.

I'd take any bang average player who can score 34 tries in 22 games.
His pace, timing and finishing make him the best attacking winger in SL. His kick returns are good too.
Defensively he hasn't missed many tackles. His weakness is under the high ball.
He is the best English winger around this year.

Yeah but because he was rubbish 5 years ago and Hall was good 5 years ago, that's all that matters when it comes to internationals.

The "logic" in this thread about sums this place up.

I brought Manfredi up but not in comparison to Eden but I don't think It's much about actual size but more physicality and how you use your size. They're probably both a similar height/weight but Manfredi is freakishly strong and is an absolute nightmare to pull down. There's more then one way to skin a cat though and whilst Edens style of play is different, it's certainly no less effective at superleague level although at international level I'm not as sure.

It's a pointless debate though more then likely as Manfredi won't have enough time to force his way in. I'd have thought if Eden is fit he'll get a place as back up winger.

Not really because Powell isn't the England coach, Wayne Bennett is and the contrast in styles is miles apart. No point picking players is you're going to ask them to play a style that won't suit them.

Eden looked like a junior against men when he played for the Broncos last year. Very similar issues to Hardaker at the Panthers, and from what I've seen so far Sargison as well. Burgess started off with the same issues but by the end of the year looked much better. Basically they all struggle with how strong their opponents are and how hard they need to tackle and will get tackled.

I'll give Hardaker the benefit of the doubt, as he went over in terrible shape last year and seems to relish the tough stuff usually, but the wingers in particular can expect to have to field kicks under massive pressure and face a kick chase that will try to bury them. Wingers who love that kind of thing will do well. Those that try to avoid heavy contact will get found out. Its that simple.

But then surely the coach should be demanding our players are hammering the kicker every single time (in a legal way). Tackling the kicker full on as he's getting the kick away/exposed is one way to slow them down/put doubt in their minds or even feel the need to pass it on instead of taking the kick or forces the kick to be poor/ill-timed and thus runners are offside/having to check their run.
Most of the half d efforts in SL are pathetic and put no pressure on the kickers whatsoever, or are so lame it's a lame attempt at blocking the kicker after the ball has gone and the kicker has had a toke and a brew before the defender got there. Time the tackle properly, sure you might get stepped the odd occasion, sure the ball might end up putting the wingers in a spot of bother but if the halfback is getting crunched (legally) more often than not, that does have a big effect no matter what level you're at.

Out of curiosity, if a runner is in an offside position and the ref states to keep 10m and the catcher does not move/move 10 metres is the rule still that the offside player still has to remain 10 metres from the catch/wait for the catcher to make 10 metres before engaging?

Eden would be the first English winger on the team sheet if the team played an expansive game for me. He seems so much faster than before he went to Oz. I couldnt believe it was him scoring against Wigan in the WCC. The issue is Bennetts conservative style, which has been the case for the England team for years. When was the last time we created space for a winger to score from 60/70 metres out wide? Hall certainly doesnt have the pace to finish that at international level, perhaps McGilvary does. So when your wingers job is to strat the set on the front foot we need Hall and McGilvary. I cant see Bennett changing the way we play to accomodate Eden. But I do think some of the comments about him only scoring them try's because hes on Cas left edge is not govong him enough credit for the all round improvement in his game to enable him to do it

Eden is suspect defensively, so Hall gets it because of the way international RL is played.

Well its safe to say none of the Aussies will run around Ryan Hall...it'll take too much time.

Alternative line up

Widdop
Burgess
Curry
Percival
McGillivery
Williams
Gale
Graham
McIllorum
G Burgess
Whitehead
S Burgess
O'Loughlin

Clarke
McMeekin
Hill
Watts

Cas fans wont be happy with that. No McShane or Eden or Hardaker (although I'd have Hardaker in)

Currie at centre? Not saying the lad can't play there because I believe he has and done well but after a year out and facing Middle 8's opposition now it'd be a big ask to take him at all let alone at centre against Aussies and Kiwis.