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| Quote ="Durham Giant"All this talk about Magic weekend not been able to go ahead with an uneven number of teams is rubbish.
They could do two days of three matches with he other team having a match somewhere else in the season or even just have magic weekend for the top 8 teams and do it over a day.'"
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| Quote ="Nostradamus's lad"Smokey for your encyclopaedia of all RL knowledge - at least two teams currently in the championship will be FT in 2015, and I will support that with a £500 charity bet if you disagree'"
There is more to being a pro club that just paying your players a bit more
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Bidding process starts with a letter sent to every club, outlining the plans and highlighting the Franchises available and the preferred conditions:
Total cost of a Franchise is 10 million investment guarantee with 5 million paid up front and released back at 1 million a year over the term of the Licence....Money held in escrow by SKY!
2 Million in TV revenue guaranteed from SKY for each Franchise.
I suspect if the financials stacked up, as in guaranteed 2 million a year TV cash for 5 years in return for a guaranteed 2 million a year investment per year from the Franchise owner, then these 10 owners would be scrambling around to get their clubs up to speed by the end of the 5th year. 10,000 ST holders at 200 quid a pop should be the target.....if the Franchises swallow the direct debit costs then that's less than a fiver a week for fans.
Attendances, Sponsorship, corporates etc...all of these would be down to the Franchise owners. No more hobbyists, but hard nosed businessmen you can see the benefit of 130,000 customers a year paying 15 quid each at the gate, 15 quid each at the bar/shop and the sponsors and corporates they would attract....
It only becomes complicated if you start playing politics.....ie, a few chairmen moaning about 1 game a year when away fans don't come....that's why SKY would own this lock stock and 2 smoking barrels. If an owner wants to whinge, then he can love off and play with BARLA/ The RFL.
If the Hull Franchise knows that they have London 1 coming once this year and London 2 twice, then that's when you look to attract NEW FANS to games.......buy 1 get 3 free if need be..at a tenner a ticket, that's a tenner more than you would have had if you don't do anything and the chance of money being spent in the ground and potential returning customers. In the scenario above, if Hull attracted 1,000 new fans paying a tenner to each game and brought 3 mates for free and they all has a 3 quid pint, then that's 66k in revenue and 12,000 potential new customers.....it's how Wigan under Lenegan have grown their base....not whining like a bitch from St Helens
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Liverpool/Manchester/Lancashire
Leeds/Sheffield/Hull/Yorkshire
East/West/London
France.
Wales
Midlands
I Suspect that with the exception of London's 2 teams, the other 8 Franchises would be snapped up in a flash. The 5 million up front (top be returned 1 million a year) would sort the wheat from the chaff and if any RL fans wish to complain about the fairness of it all, then I suggest they turn their ire towards the RFL and their own clubs owners!
Depending on performances in years 1,2 & 3, Franchise owners would be advised of areas that were of concern, whilst potential new "owners" could be courted if required. It would be evident after 3 years if a Franchise was in trouble, but they would still have 2 more years of 2 million in cash and their own 1 million back to see out their Licence period....if they walk, they lose their up-front cash....ie failure costs them.
6 northern based owners with 10 million each to invest over 5 years into a business that already attracts 70,000+ customers a week to games in its heartlands, with 2 more in France where the potential is massive and 2 more in London where their is a potentially massive audience.....they exist and whilst the RFL couldn't find them in years, SKY would ATTRACT THEM!
Sport is a Business and sentiment has no place here!'"
I would love to pay to watch this league with some of the best players from Europe and the southern hemisphere plying there trade in it. It really would 'show off' the greatest game to the masses
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"There is more to being a pro club that just paying your players a bit more'"
Are you taking the bet as you were adamant it would be Ft v PT in the middle eight?
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| Quote ="j.c"I would love to pay to watch this league with some of the best players from Europe and the southern hemisphere plying there trade in it. It really would 'show off' the greatest game to the masses'"
The thing is John , this was essentially the original SL ' Dream ' and as I recall , everybody liked it , as long as their club was part of it and retained their identity , unfortunatly it required clubs to give up that identity
So it will never happen
Look at ' Super Rugby ' down under to see the concept
The top team in Wellington was the Lions , they remain playing in the national competition , however the Hurricanes were formed and play in SR
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| If London drop out, I wouldn't plant Featherstone in Super League for 2014. Just run with 13 teams. Then only the bottom team is relegated in 2014. The SL clubs would have fewer fixtures (but with the same SKY money) so they should be happy.
IF they want an extra match to partly compensate there could be two magic weekends. Each with 12 teams (6 matches over two days). Exclude say Wakefield from the first and say Cas from the second. Then they could play each other in a derby (at Featherstone?) to even up the matches played instead of having a bye one weekend. Or make it the last match of the season.
PS Can't find a 'tongue in cheek' smillie
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| Quote ="Starbug"Never mind that , still waiting for you and ' Winston ' to explain the maths for an odd number of teams with an odd number of games ?
Away you go ?'"
I woud rather you explain why you can't do it. The RFL have said they are willing to go with 13 teams next year.
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| On the other hand, put Featherstone in SL and promote three instead of two to the Championship from Championship 1, making the latter an eight team league for 2014.
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| Quote ="j.c"I would love to pay to watch this league with some of the best players from Europe and the southern hemisphere plying there trade in it. It really would 'show off' the greatest game to the masses'"
I would love to watch my club Halifax RLFC. Whatever competition. I wouldn't pay to go and see the fanciful stuff in Gutterfax's post - as admirable and utopic it is. But that's just me and countless thousands of other like minded current RL fans. What Gutterfax's scheme would do is create new fans BUT, you can't just turn on new fans at the flick of a switch. It's a pipe dream and depends on forward thinking movers and shakers and brave risk takers. RL doesn't have any. It's a northern sport. Always will be.
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| Quote ="Nostradamus's lad"Are you taking the bet as you were adamant it would be Ft v PT in the middle eight?'"
It will be. Paying someone £40k instead of £20k so he can train in the local fitness first instead of being a plumber does not a full-time player make.
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| I really don't understand all the talk about not being able to run the "Magic" weekend with an odd number of teams. Just invite the Championship GF winner to take part. Simples.
We are about to undertake a major restructure with a return to P & R by merit. To simply put a random team in now would once again make a mockery of the RFL
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| Quote ="Fax Machine"I really don't understand all the talk about not being able to run the "Magic" weekend with an odd number of teams. Just invite the Championship GF winner to take part. Simples. '"
How would that work in terms of league points and deciding which SL team gets a freebie fixture against a championship club?
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| Quote ="littlerich"I would love to watch my club Halifax RLFC. Whatever competition. I wouldn't pay to go and see the fanciful stuff in Gutterfax's post - as admirable and utopic it is. But that's just me and countless thousands of other like minded current RL fans. What Gutterfax's scheme would do is create new fans BUT, you can't just turn on new fans at the flick of a switch. It's a pipe dream and depends on forward thinking movers and shakers and brave risk takers. RL doesn't have any. It's a northern sport. Always will be.'"
i agree rich its always good to have a club to follow but an elete league like the nrl would be something special to watch imo.I agree though it is just dreaming unless sky tv and probably french tv take it on
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| Quote ="Fax Machine"I really don't understand all the talk about not being able to run the "Magic" weekend with an odd number of teams. Just invite the Championship GF winner to take part. Simples.
We are about to undertake a major restructure with a return to P & R by merit. To simply put a random team in now would once again make a mockery of the RFL'"
You can't run a league with an odd number of games and an odd number of teams. It is mathematically impossible.
By season's end, one team will have played one game less than the rest. You'd have to cancel the Magic Weekend.
I sincerely hope the RFL's back up plan isn't to run with 13 teams because they clearly wouldn't have thought this through.
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| Quote ="FarsleySteve"How would that work in terms of league points and deciding which SL team gets a freebie fixture against a championship club?'"
Yeah, sorry. As I don't follow SL these days I had forgotten that it was a league round with points at stake, I had it in mind as a one off weekend jolly.
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"You can't run a league with an odd number of games and an odd number of teams. It is mathematically impossible.
By season's end, one team will have played one game less than the rest. You'd have to cancel the Magic Weekend.
I sincerely hope the RFL's back up plan isn't to run with 13 teams because they clearly wouldn't have thought this through.'"
We could just not have an odd number of games. That would be a pretty simple solution.
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| How about one of the Magic Weekend games been the World Club Challenge ?
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| Jesus Christ. The stupidity of some people.
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| I would rather just keep London, if they are not competitive in 2 years they will be relegated into the championship and then they can rebuild as a part time team. Making one guy pay millions of pounds a year to keep them going is unfair so you can tell why he has had enough.
Everything coming out of Red Hall at the moment has been terrible so I am sure they will come up with something crazy. The trend is that they are undoing everything good done in the last 20 years. So London dropping out will be announced along with a move back to Winter and P&R.
If they do drop out you would say that 13 is a good option as it would reduce the shock of moving to 12 teams. Not being able to have the Magic weekend is a bonus as it is a complete waste of time. But it is Fat Nigs baby so I am sure it will be made to work even if it doesn't.
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| Quote ="Tigerade"How about one of the Magic Weekend games been the World Club Challenge ?'"
Likewise...how would that work in terms of league points?
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| Quote ="Madderzahatter"Broncos can't be allowed to fold - the RFL need to get them out of this scrape and the owners need a rocket up their backside...
No disrespect, but we don't need another Northern club in SL - if a space comes up it should go to Toulouse, if anyone...'"
Might aswell put the Eagles in, they will bring atleast 5 more fans than the Frogs.
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| Is there any point to the Magic Weekend these days? It failed miserably with regard to it's primary mission of spreading the gospel beyond the boundaries of the M62 did it not? So why are we still persisting with it? Why hasn't the failed project been scrapped?
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| 13 teams = Play everyone twice -> 24 games
Magic Weekend as the Cup Quarter Finals
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| Quote ="Starbug"The thing is John , this was essentially the original SL ' Dream ' and as I recall , everybody liked it , as long as their club was part of it and retained their identity , unfortunatly it required clubs to give up that identity
So it will never happen
Look at ' Super Rugby ' down under to see the concept
The top team in Wellington was the Lions , they remain playing in the national competition , however the Hurricanes were formed and play in SR'"
Quite right Steve. by Caisley Gary and Mo. If I recall. The rest as they say is History. Unfortunally.
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