Here...I think you dropped this.

There is no punishment, as there is no-one to take it.

Can't see anyone else being interested in stepping up onto this naughty step on the terms announced and if nobody else does, end of story.

Would be good if with one team missing, Sky demanded a slice of their money back from the RFL/SLE, and all the clubs who stole the Bulls' money had to cough it back up.

Indeed it would be very interesting to see exactly what the contract between the RFL/SuperLeague/Sky actually says about the delivery of the product.

If the Bulls disappear then is the league committed to delivering a specific number of games to Sky?

i hope this is another of those posts where you have gotten so would up you need to tweet about me

#obsessed

Do you not see Bradford are unattractive because there's not much of a business, or business plan, or anything - NOT because of what the rfl have done, but due to poor management over a sustained period of time?

These two statements answer themselves, there's nothing more to it. I'm sure as a Bradford fan looking for somewhere to point the finger, the rfl are an easy target (and the comments made make it even easier) - but had proper business plans, and business acumen been out in place 3 iterations ago, we wouldn't be where we are now - and that's not the rfls fault?

So, the points sanction is "up to 6 points", dependent on the circumstances of the Insolvency event and the amount of money creditors are paid....

Now that the administrator is looking for a buyer again, how do the RFL know how much a buyer would pay the creditors?

Must admit - I'm loving your dummy spitting.

According to reports I've read the rfl have "taken into consideration past events from the bulls" - basically because they've done it twice in as many years, it's 6 points regardless.

The best thing any new people for Bradford can do is simply wipe the slate clean and pretend it never happened.

3 iterations ago are irrelevant, nobody can undo what has been done. It’s a pointless argument. Yes the RFL aren’t responsible for Peter Hoods failings, yes the RFL aren’t responsible for Omar Kahns, nobody at all is blaming them for that. But Omar Kahns failings aren’t why the prospective owners have ceased being interested, Peter Hoods failings aren’t why the prospective owners have ceased their interest. The prospective owners have explained clearly and precisely why they ceased their interest.

Now you can argue the RFL were right to do what they have done, you can argue that they needed to hand down a punishment (I wouldn’t agree) however you can’t argue that this situation isn’t of the RFL’s making. They are responsible for it, they have made their decision and they cannot pass the buck for the results of that decision to anyone else.

Yep, the language and insults in your post really do give the impression of that

But there was a business plan, the RFL refused to look at it if Moore, Calvert & Watt are to be believed.

Calvert runs a very successful debt management company, and over the last 3 months has significantly cut costs inherited from OK & whitcut. Wage bill is down, revenue is up and , working with the rfl they had a plan to pay significant money to the creditors.

The RFL seem to have ignored all that, gone back on the assurances that they had given, and made the Bulls toxic to a buyer.

The administrator isn't going to find a buyer that gives money to the creditors now. So why has the RFL decided that creditors shouldn't be paid?? And how is the administrator going to be able to pay staff & players without huge RFL financial support? What endgame are the RFL pursuing?

That aside, I do feel sorry for genuine RL fans. This isn't a good day for those who care about the game.

I most definitely can argue this is not the rfls making. If we really want to take this all the way back to the start of this - the rfl didn't make you sign Harris!

But you are right, you can't undo what has been done.

So you agree there's an argument for the rfl to rightly punish Bradford (whether you or I or anyone else agrees) - but it's the rfls fault that an investor walks away because Bradford has been punished (and that's the rfls fault) ? Seems ... Contradictory.

awww dont try and row back now your true colours have shown, at least have the courage of it.

Very dissapointed.

Im a leeds fan, our signing of Harris worked out quite well for us (so did the bulls signing of him

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Im saying the RFL can punish Bradford if they see fit, if this is the result of it then they are responsible for that.

You have to ask yourself what is 'rightly' punishing Bradford. Is it sticking to some principle? If it is, and this is the result then the RFL are responsible for it. You can argue they were right to stick by their principle but you can't argue that the results of them sticking by their principle wasnt down to them. It unarguably is!

the 'right' decision can have negative consequences, but you can't argue that those consequences werent consequences of that decision being made.

I would think that the vast majority of RL fans feel for the long suffering supporters of the Bradford Bulls. Even the apologetic brigade such as yourself, Aardvark, Adeybull etc, but you don't make it easy for us to support your viewpoint by your scattergun approach to dealing with questions regarding your club.

Good luck in the lower divisions....Skolars will have a plastic pitch next year

aww sweetie. I dont want to be arrogant but i doubt very much my team will be playing in the lower leagues next year considering we have never, in over a hundred years of history done so!

www.therfl.co.uk/news/article/29 ... ford-bulls

www.therfl.co.uk/news/article/29 ... ford-bulls

that is the most disappointing statement of the lot. If all that is true, how the hell have the RFL allowed Bradford to start the season?

RFL Statement. I'm no expert on this, but on the 7th Feruary, wasn't the club in the hands of the administrators?
Could Mark Moore etc ask for this from the RFL?
Again i'm no expert, what i do know is this is one hell of a mess




RFL Chief Operating Officer Ralph Rimmer has issued the following statement in response to criticism of the governing body’s action during the most recent insolvency event at Bradford Bulls:

“It is disappointing and disingenuous for Bradford Bulls to suggest that the RFL has acted in any manner other than fairly and properly throughout a crisis which is entirely of the club’s own making.

“The root cause of the current situation is the failed attempt by Mark Moore and Ryan Whitcut to use the club’s own money to purchase Bradford Bulls from Omar Khan, who had left the club in a parlous state.

“Had Mr Moore not refused to honour the agreement he signed to buy the club from Mr Khan, Bradford Bulls would not be where they are today.

“Throughout our dealings with them, the club’s directors were unable to provide any evidence of new capital investment into Bradford Bulls and consequently, the RFL Executive had no confidence in the business plan that was presented.

“At no stage was there a firm written commitment from the directors to meet the liabilities: in particular, HMRC would have been left with an unpaid liability of almost £170,000.

“In the last six months two other clubs have had to restructure their businesses, introduce new investment from owners and release players to avoid administration. For Bradford to effectively drop off debt as a result of the administration without a points deduction would have significantly impaired the integrity of the competition.

“At a meeting with the club’s directors on February 7 they informed the RFL that they needed a further £500,000 of investment or advances of broadcast monies in order to continue to trade.

“We have seen nothing further from the directors to suggest that situation has improved. Indeed their business plan revealed yet another attempt to buy the club with its own money.

“We will continue to work with the administrator to find a solvent and viable solution for the club and will provide an update to the other First Utility Super League clubs at their scheduled meeting tomorrow.”

Fair play! My apologies for the accusationicon_wink.gif

Were in danger of getting quite philosophical here, because I'd argue the initial action must take responsibility for its consequences, and all further consequences from that. A pebble falling into a pond is responsible for all it's ripples, not just it's first.

So Bradford's actions of financial trouble, led to a points deduction which led to Moore walking out (which regardless of where the blame lies for this whole situation, I hold Moore responsible for leaving the club - especially after all the talk of were in this together and for the club stuff said to keep the players together) - there's no rfl pebble in that (as it were)

I feel for the Bradford fans, and the players and staff, but the point deduction was correct.

Tough talking there by Rimmer, looks like there will be blood on the carpet.

No,I genuinely feel sorry for Bradford fans and proper RL fans. I only take delight in seeing trolls like you getting their ar5e handed to them.

rfl on bbc radio leeds for those who fancy a listen.

Stole the Bulls money








You mean the money they offered as a sweetener to stay in Super League the 1st time they went bust ?

That's actually quite ironic and funny considering Bradford are in this mess in the 1st place for 'stealing' their creditors money for years on end !
Maybe they should give back all the begging money they 'stole' off other fans and clubs to pay one of their previous directors so he would bugger off !

Please dont come on here playing the hard done to card .....Bradford Bulls have only themselves to blame for this mess.