He is a Dr. and has every right to refer to himself as one.

The issue for me though is that he has a Phd in engineering. What relevance does that have to either being a rich businessman, a racehorse owner or the owner of one (or more!) RL clubs? Answer zero. So why use it at all - if he was a university lecturer whose job depended on it, then fair enough.

I am a Fellow of the Institute of Chartered Accountants of England and Wales, a designation/title I'm quite proud of - and at least as difficult to obtain as a Phd - but I don't put FCA after my name every time it is used, only where it is relevant. Nothing at all to do with jealousy, simply feel that there is some bragging about it...

Maybe that's where you went wrong he uses his qualification and becomes a rich business man and racehorse owner and you didn't and became a wage slave.

Very few Phd's use the title Dr outside of academia it is seen as being a bit pretentious otherwise.

You might use it in a relevant enviroment such as work specifically related to say Engineering work.

So we've established he is a Dr (again) and has every right to use it. Remind me what the problem is again?

So how much original work is involved in becoming an FCA?

Well thank you all for your responses. the use of the term DR was firstly a typing error and second an ironic gesture into Wiggys and Baldys use of the term" the good Doctor."

I posed the question as an enquiry, but it seems that it has progressed to an debate of the use of the title Doctor. Quite rightly other than use within a medical setting, very few people use the term Doctor even in an academic settings, unless for publications of lectures.

But to continue, can I pose the question again can anyone enlighten us with the person who the Salford owner has called the biggest name in rugby league is waiting to take over.

I don't think that's being any more pedantic than pointing out that the @DrmarwanK account was set up recently by his daughter, after the @Marwan_Koukash name had been taken by someone else in an attempt at humour.

There is no evidence he refers to himself as "doctor", but WTF does it matter?

Back on topic.

A few names have been rumoured, but I deliberately didn't mention them because anything Marwan related tends to get the inhabitants of the RLFans sand pit all aerated. However, since you ask, the Manchester Evening News mentioned Tim Sheens, amongst others.

However, it seems clear that the man Marwan really wants as Director of Rugby is Brian Noble, hence his willingness to extend the deadline.

Don't do it Brian....you DO NOT need 'little rich' Salford.....

Tim Sheens!

What’s he waiting for, kick Nobby to the curb I say, an antipodean dinosaur is obviously better than a British one.

Absolute gibberish.

You could always use the full quote which is correct but if you used the full quote you would not be able to make yourself look clever.

Do you feel better now.

although i should have added that different countries regard the etiquette in different ways.

"Doctor" is an academic title, derived from Latin, specifically the Latin verb "to teach" (docere)

It is a bit strange how many people have ised it into thinking it means a medical doctor, but in England in common usage that's where we are, however, a "real" doctor is a more difficult qualification than a medical doctor - a doctorate is the top academic qualification, whereas a medical doctor will normally be at the bottom, Bachelor, level.

I don't see any issue with a real doctor with a real doctorate using the title "doctor", but I suppose the issue revealed in this thread is that somehow a medical doctor is viewed in higher esteem by some than any other, real, doctorate, presumably because for some people a medical doctor has some near-mystical powers and so they think if anyone else calls themself a "doctor" they are trying to get the perceived kudos of people believing they are a medical doctor.

Ironic that"Doctor" isn't even that crash hot a moniker from a medical doctor's point of view: the accolade they aspire to is to actually lose the "doctor" and become a "Mr." I find it odd that nobody complains that top consultants are impersonating plain Joe Green by "pretending" to be a plain "Mr." when they are in fact a high end medical doctor. It would make about as much sense.

I thought it was surgeons rather than consultants that switched back to Mr.? Or Mrs/Ms/Miss. Snobbery is everywhere though. I've heard other senior clinicians refer to surgeons as meat technicians a couple of times. And FCA, pfft - just sums, innit?



Isn't it a bit weird that somebody like Sheens would be willing to wait on this as a reserve option?

It is? Where is the study? Where are the results? What was the method?



It'd be less effort to stand next to you with my mouth shut. I cut the guff without changing the meaning, but since you insist:



Absolute gibberish. It may be your personal experience but it is very far from mine. I have worked with many PhDs both in and outside academia and come across very few who don't use their title in their professional lives.. The only person I knew to be a PhD who didn't use it professionally was a former partner of mine and she only did it because she preferred to be underestimated.

I'd accept it if you'd drawn the difference between the personal and professional life, but to say that PhDs don't use their titles is nonsensical. Many do, many don't.

It says nothing at all about a Koukash most of us only know through the press, and who himself became known because of his professional life, that he has become known to RL fans as "the doctor".

Steady on, kids. The source for this was the Manchester Evening News, colloquially known as the Manchester Evening Speculator. Their [imodus operandi[/i when it comes to Rugby League is to randomly throw names and stories around. Some hit, some miss.

The man Marwan wants for the job is Brian Noble, and he is prepared to wait. For now.

So to sum up, Koukash thinks Noble is gash at his existing job, but is simultaneously THE best man on the planet for this new job. Why, he's even better than some world renowned rugby league god who is a household name but would still only be second best to Noble.

It makes perfect sense to me.

If you had used the full quotes you would se that i said they tend to use it

Very few Phd's use the title=#FF0000 Dr outside of academia it is seen as being a bit pretentious otherwise.

You might use it =#FF0000in a relevant enviroment such as work specifically related to say Engineering work eg like Marwan would use his doctorate in Engineering when engaging in Engineering type work or discussions. As i understand it he does not use it in everyday life.

So i stated they use it in academia or in a relevant work enviroment . Very few use it as a general moniker outside of these two specific enviroments.

Wow i am impressed you went out with someone who had a Phd.

My wife is a Dr with both a medical doctorate and and a Phd doctorate. If you insist maybe i will start introducing my wife as Doctor doctor. All the other Phd's i know do not use the title Dr except in very specific circumstances. When doing a CV for a job, publictations, lecturing / training. When applying for a bank loan or signing a court statement. NOt one of them ever uses it when booking a plane ticket to avoid being collared at 30,000 feet with a medical emergency.

If you look at etiquette in Britain very very few with Phds use the title doctor outside of specific enviroments as a i said academia or WORK . a quick google search would show this. ( outside of the Uk it is very different ie in mainland euprope and the US).

Yes. That absolutely [imust[/i be it.

Another way of looking at it is that during the process of freshening up the coaching staff - a process which involved speaking to Iestyn Harris with a view to him becoming assistant to Brian Noble - Marwan realised that Nobby's skills and experience could be better employed in a much broader role within the club, a role similar to that previously occupied by Graham Lowe, but with a broader remit.

He views this role as essential and so, as any competent businessman would, has a contingency plan in place in case Nobby declines the offer. The Manchester Evening News has speculated that this involves Tim Sheens.

Doesn't sound quite so daft when you express it that way, does it?

You may all bow down and call me Lord.

Anyone asking how I earned the title, it was by the due process of winning a game of Catan.

I will allow the unwashed to stoop to using Sir, if they cannot remember which title I wish to bistow upon myself tomorrow.

Personally I like the title 'The Good Dr.' I think he should copyright it before some other upstart tries to pinch it like they did his name on twitter.

I have no idea how much he uses the title in the different roles he has... no one on here does unless that person inhabits academia, horse-racing, management training, rugby etc. and still has the time to post on here.

Many at Salford like the moniker. He appeared like a Dr Who to save us. He has had the presence of a medical doctor to mend a wounded club.

The amount I know of his life suggests that getting to that standing in academia is praiseworthy: most PhDs do not start as refugees. If he wants to wear the badge with pride, he has earned it.

So what? We know him as the doctor, I bet RL headquarters know him as something else.

To be fair, two of the women in my life are FCAs, formerly ACAs. Both of them have degrees from very good universities (not PhDs mind) and both of them say that the work getting their qualification absolutely dwarfed anything that university threw at them.

Popular RLFANS poster Dux is a Doctor of English Literature.

Much better to have a Good Doctor in charge at the club instead of [itumulo pueri[/i.

Apparently the [iMr[/i thing with surgeons harks back to when the doctor would call the local barber to [ibleed[/i his patient as a form of anaesthetic before a procedure.