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| Quote ="Wadski"Lolesi doesn't have a squad number therefore isn't included in the current Giants squad.'"
But he is registered as a Giant at Red Hall. So from the RFL pov he is one of our 'overseas' players.
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But he does count as non-fed trained.
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But he does count as non-fed trained.
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| Quote ="Ceejames"Giants have Lolesi - but he may not play this season [Giants 4
Wakey have a Henderson [Wakefield 9
The HKR figure is appalling.'"
I saw the Henderson was born on Torquay and didn't include him but rereading the article he is overseas trained so i edited.
Lolesi, according to everything i have read isn't playing for Hudds this year.
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| Quote ="matthew"No journeymen at Warrington....
Amazing that quins have 5 compared to hullkrs 10 which is a complete joke'"
Anderson, Solomona
Both of whom i would say are well past their best.
Hodgson is no spring chicken either but is a class act. We will see how he goes this year
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| Quote ="Durham Giant"Anderson, Solomona
Both of whom i would say are well past their best.
Hodgson is no spring chicken either but is a class act. We will see how he goes this year'"
i think its pretty pathetic that warrington have signed a 30 odd year old aussie.
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| If your going to count Rinaldi at Wakey then you need to add Elima at Bradford.
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| Quote ="Theboyem"If your going to count Rinaldi at Wakey then you need to add Elima at Bradford.'"
elima is british trained coming through the academy system at castleford.
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| Quote ="steve_norton"
Cats 8 Greenshields, Blanch, Farrar, Sa, Dureau,Henderson, Menzies,Baltieri'"
Batieri and Greenshields are French - I think Dureau may be part-french too, though I don't really care. Doesn't matter though, as Blanch should count double because he's ENGLISH!
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| Quote ="belgianxiii"Batieri and Greenshields are French - I think Dureau may be part-french too, though I don't really care. Doesn't matter though, as Blanch should count double because he's =#FF0000:1d23zbyiENGLISH![/
I thought he was Irish
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| Quote ="belgianxiii"Batieri and Greenshields are French - I think Dureau may be part-french too, though I don't really care. Doesn't matter though, as Blanch should count double because he's ENGLISH!'"
They are not federation trained in the country where they play...therefore according to the original post.. overseas.
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Many players get through on technicalities. However Royston learned is rugby in a non UK federation.
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Many players get through on technicalities. However Royston learned is rugby in a non UK federation.
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| Quote ="steve_norton"Taken from Wikipedia so may not be quite accurate, if a player learned to play overseas I have classed as such.
Good show Saints and Huddersfield, if their recruitment has finished well done to Cas and Harlequins too. My club will probably go to 6 shortly.
Sad really when you consider clubs agreed to get down to 4 quota and 1 non fed by 2011.
Bradford 6 Van Ag,Kearney,Herbert,L'Estrange, Hall, Royston
Cas 5 Chase,McGoldrick, Widders, Youngquest, Isa
Cats 8 Greenshields, Blanch, Farrar, Sa, Dureau,Henderson, Menzies,Baltieri
Crusaders 10 Schifcofske, Martin, Mellars, Witt, Sammut, O Hara, Withers, Chan, Bryant, Hanbury
Harlequins 5 Dorn,Temata, Randall, Kouparirsas, Bailey
Huddersfield 3 O'Donnell, Fa'alogo, Faiumu
Hull FC 5 Fitzgibbon, O Meley, Lauaki, Manu, Moa
Hull KR 10 Lovegrove, Mason, Vella, Green, Dobson, Newton, Fisher, Galea, Webster, Clinton
Leeds 7 Webb, Delaney, Leuluai, Buderas, Lauititi, Cross, Hauraki
Salford 9 Pattern, Nero, Anderson, Leo Latu, Paleaaasini, Bailey, Henry, Cashmere, Holdsworth
Saints 5 Meli, Soliola, Perry, Puletua, Flannery
Wakefield 9 Henderson, Millard, Jeffrres, Obst, Korkidas, Rinali, Morrison, Tony, Smith
Warrington 6 Hodgson, King, Monaghan, Monaghan, Anderson, Solomona
Wigan7 Carmont, Richards, Leuluai, Lima, Hoffman, Finch, Roberts'"
Heard that Leo-Latu won't be coming to us as he can't get a visa.
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| Let's just sum it up for what it is!!!
A SHAMBLES.
It's so absurd that even the Cougars will have 3 aussies this season!!!!
The games is REALLY showing it's development skills in this country.
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| What would the state of our game be without these imports?
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| Quote ="Alex Mc"What would the state of our game be without these imports?'"
There's a fine balance between bringing in imports and filling your team with them. I'm all for imports being part of our game. However, if they were drastically reduced, the talent pool and no doubt, quality, of the England side would improve. It would also allow us the depth of squad needed to offer more international friendlies throughout the season and develop the International game in our country. Sometimes you have to look at the wider picture than just inside the zone that is one's own club.
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| Quote ="Alex Mc"What would the state of our game be without these imports?'"
without all of them? probably an initially large fall in quality followed by a period of building the game back up to its level which would unfortunately take about 20-30 years.
Without about 40-60%, an initial small fall in quality, followed by no noticeable difference in 2/3 years and improvement from there onwards putting us fairly quickly into a better position.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"without all of them? probably an initially large fall in quality followed by a period of building the game back up to its level which would unfortunately take about 20-30 years.
Without about 40-60%, an initial small fall in quality, followed by no noticeable difference in 2/3 years and improvement from there onwards putting us fairly quickly into a better position.'"
Agreed.
Dont worry smokey clubs like cas are there to show everyone the way
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| Quote ="pyeman"Agreed.
Dont worry smokey clubs like cas are there to show everyone the way
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Not just quantity but quality too.
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| It would be good if we could compare this to the number of home grown players in teams squads, i'll do cas (with number of games played for club)
huby-156 games
arundel- 10 games
thompson-17 games
holmes-5 games
orr- 191 games
davies- 1 game
owen- 72 games
milner- 4 games
massey- 8 games
walker- 7 games
clarke- 0 games
harris-0 games
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| And out of all of these how many ADD anything to the game over here. Going on what they have done or their potential. Some may prove me wrong as we have yet to see them but lmore than 50% add nothing to the game over here except keep young players out.
Bradford ,Kearney,
Cas Chase,
Cats Greenshields, Sa,
Crusaders , Witt, Sammut,
Harlequins Dorn, Randall,
Huddersfield O'Donnell, Fa'alogo, Faiumu
Hull FC Fitzgibbon, Manu,
Hull KR Mason, Vella, Dobson, Newton, Galea, Clinton
Leeds Webb, Leuluai, Buderas, Lauititi, Cross, Hauraki
Salford Cashmere,
Saints , Soliola, Perry, Puletua, Flannery
Wakefield
Warrington Hodgson, King, Monaghan, Monaghan,
Wigan Carmont, Richards, Leuluai, Lima, Hoffman, Finch, Roberts
41 players out of an original total of 95
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| Quote ="Durham Giant"And out of all of these how many ADD anything to the game over here. Going on what they have done or their potential. Some may prove me wrong as we have yet to see them but lmore than 50% add nothing to the game over here except keep young players out.
Bradford ,Kearney,
Cas Chase,
Cats Greenshields, Sa,
Crusaders , Witt, Sammut,
Harlequins Dorn, Randall,
Huddersfield O'Donnell, Fa'alogo, Faiumu
Hull FC Fitzgibbon, Manu,
Hull KR Mason, Vella, Dobson, Newton, Galea, Clinton
Leeds Webb, Leuluai, Buderas, Lauititi, Cross, Hauraki
Salford Cashmere,
Saints , Soliola, Perry, Puletua, Flannery
Wakefield
Warrington Hodgson, King, Monaghan, Monaghan,
Wigan Carmont, Richards, Leuluai, Lima, Hoffman, Finch, Roberts
41 players out of an original total of 95'"
I agree totally with the point your making too many of them just aren't up to standard and certainly shouldn't be earning top dollar here and keeping young english kids out of the game.
From an Hull point of view though O'Meley was very good for us last season.
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| Quote ="Durham Giant"And out of all of these how many ADD anything to the game over here. Going on what they have done or their potential. Some may prove me wrong as we have yet to see them but lmore than 50% add nothing to the game over here except keep young players out.
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Widders has played well for Cas in the years he's been over here and has become a fans' favourite. Additionally, he does a lot in the Community. May not be an household name but then the players that tend to perform well over here rarely are.
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| Why cant they just put a cap of say 5 genuine non federation trained players?? Then everyone else has to be home grown or fed trained (including French). Is it illegal or something? Other sports seem to do it, Cricket or ice Hockey for instance. The rules as they are are so flimsy.
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| just a question to ponder - due to EEC employment regulations could an SL or C/C1 club have team made up of only french or other EEC member state players ?
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