What a CR@P argument, Melbourne Storm are an Australian Club with largely Australian players, Toronto are a Canadian Club with 1 Canadian who has as far as I recall never played !

Update, they did have a 19 year old Canadian but he has left and gone to Victoria, British Columbia to further his professional career.

No it is not. The promotion will come down to Toronto Wolfpack and Toulouse Olympique. Both of those teams deserve to be in Super League by 2022, to ensure an improved value contract with Sky.

No team deserves to be in SL , it will be earned on the field.

When a club finishes the regular season top of the league and 8 points ahead of 2nd place they deserve and have earned promotion IMO.

The system didn’t provide for that, they missed out because they didn’t win the most important game of the season.

That is because the system is deeply flawed.

I agree with this, so will most Leigh & Fev fans for example !

Thanks for the concession.

& why not ?
I am reasonably educated & intelligent, therefore I recognise when a system does not favour the best team who should rightly be promoted.
Fev were for a period the dominant team in Championship, followed later by Leigh & neither were promoted due to franchising.

Toronto
Bradford
Widnes

What that means for who gets promoted, who knows. Ask me a week before the play offs start. Bradford might be coming up from League 1 but they have the best coach, best crowds and best juniors in the league.

I very much doubt Bradford have the best juniors in the league, maybe 2nd behind Widnes, the under 19s table shows this.

Crowds - Yes
Coach - Possibly

Do bradford get more than the 8.5k average that toronto get?

Regards

King james

Very good point, i stand corrected

Tornoto
Bradford
Widnes
Leigh

?

Crowds

Bradford Bulls do not hand out thousands of FREE tickets.

Regards

King Budgie

They di and look where it got them which is an even better put to King Dong

On what basis do they deserve to be in Super League? It's certainly not on any level of playing merit.

And how will them being there ensure an improved value contract? How do half empty stadia encourage sponsors and Sky to put additional money into the sport? Certainly won't help Sky increase their subscription base having teams from areas that don't come under Sky's broadcast remit.

On the subject of juniors, I'd say that although the under-19 table shows Widnes being ahead of Bradford, how many of their juniors make the step up to the first team either with the club or elsewhere?

If you look around both SL and Championship clubs, there's a large percentage who've got at least 1 player who was a Bradford junior in their first team.
Not to mention the fact that Bradford's current first team squad includes around 14 players who've come through the clubs junior system.

I don’t really want to look much outside Widnes and Bradford. If it’s a statement about who currently has the best juniors then I’d still say it was Widnes’. But I would wouldn’t I.

It’s not neccessarily about quantity either, more quality.

But these players that played Superleague rugby for Widnes last season all came through our junior setup.

Ollie Ashall
Owen Buckley
Kieran Brand
Ryan Ince
Joe Lyons
Danny Craven
Tom Gilmore
Ted Chapelhow
J Chapelhow
D Walker
Brad Walker
Matt Whitley
Dan Norman
Owen Farnworth

Not a bad effort really. Although we did get relegated, these young lads certainly did themselves proud, we just lacked a lot of quality right throughout the team in the right areas.

D Walker and Whitley are moving on but expect Ashall, Buckley and Brad Walker to make a real impact within the next few seasons. I’m sure Bradford have a very similar setup and scenario going on, but going off the 19s league position last year and players we’ve integrated into the first team I still believe Widnes have the best junior setup in the league.

All this aside, this won’t help us back into SL which is the goal for 2019. After Gelling, we seriously lack quality but hopefully 6-7 players will be announced with a coach in the next few weeeks.

Unless Widnes sign Andrew Henderson, the new coach will not improve anything at Widnes.

At the minute il agree but having realised 11-12 first team regulars from the current season, we’ll be bringing in a number of additions.

With our current board making all the contract renewals and signings though, I’m not sure what coach would take us us

Henderson and McDermott are both in the running with Tony Smith, despite BM being linked with Toronto.

TWP. Wow. 6 good signings.

Mellor
Olbison
Wilkin
Springer
Thompson
And a 6th?

Ricky Leutele

Is that sarcasm?

For the championship. 6 good signings yes.