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| Quote ="Kosh"Nobody has a problem with Mason coming over. People are questioning the apparent new loophole that is being used to classify him as Federation Trained when he clearly isn't, and the wider implications for the sport.
Stop being so chippy FFS.'"
Now I have heard everything!
And Harrison Hansen is Samoan, but I think he counts as homegrown for Wigan (ala Lovegrove with us), so there's your 8th at Wigan.
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| Quote ="Scott_HKR"Now I have heard everything!'"
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| Quote ="Scott_HKR"Now I have heard everything!
And Harrison Hansen is Samoan, but I think he counts as homegrown for Wigan (ala Lovegrove with us), so there's your 8th at Wigan.'"
This debate is not about Mason, who cares really?
It's about the RFL putting rules in place and then completely backtracking and allowing clubs to do as they please. It makes our sport a joke the way it's run.
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| Quote ="Old_Faithful_IAKW"You are so obnoxious it's unreal.'"
I aren't obnoxious, I just find this whole debate/argument a bit of a non starter.
Quote ="PAUL M"This debate is not about Mason, who cares really?
It's about the RFL putting rules in place and then completely backtracking and allowing clubs to do as they please. It makes our sport a joke the way it's run.'"
I do agree with you, 100%, but people seem to have a gripe with Rovers for taking advantage of it and with Mason for been classed as Fed now.
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| Quote ="Scott_HKR"I do agree with you, 100%, but people seem to have a gripe with Rovers for taking advantage of it and with Mason for been classed as Fed now.'"
People have a gripe with what's happened - i.e. yet another loophole opening up in the overseas player rules. It so happens that Rovers and Mason are involved. People would still have a gripe if it had happened with a different club and player.
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| Quote ="Kosh"People have a gripe with what's happened - i.e. yet another loophole opening up in the overseas player rules. It so happens that Rovers and Mason are involved. People would still have a gripe if it had happened with a different club and player.'"
I think its certainly amplified though that Rovers are involved and it involves a high profile player. As I said before Wigan have 8 overseas players, but I've never once seen any of your fans on here post that they are a disgrace to the game as posts have been made about Rovers.
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| Quote ="Kosh"People have a gripe with what's happened - i.e. yet another loophole opening up in the overseas player rules. It so happens that Rovers and Mason are involved. People would still have a gripe if it had happened with a different club and player.'"
Exactly. Ultimately the fact that this ruling seems to have set the RFL back 4 years to 2007 is the main issue. The fact Hull KR have again been the pioneers of the loophole (as with the Stanley Gene loophole a few years a go) is a side issue. If, as this looks from the outside, this allows any South Sea Islander to be exempt from the quota, then it blows the "It'll sort itself out in a few years when the exempt players (e.g. Manu, Vella etc..) retire" argument out of the water.
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| Quote ="Scott_HKR"Not getting into a tit for tat argument with you.
But I feel you have shown you are clearly hypocrite when you on one hand say Rovers are not doing the English game any good by having 10 aussies, yet then you say regarding Catalans it is not just about Engllish Rugby?
End of the day, Mason is on his way, deal with it.'"
He's been on his way for the past six weeks. I don't think anyone would take a bet on him actually arriving until he pulls on a Rovers shirt.
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| 7 pages on one player signing
man people must be jealous
excellent signing
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| Quote ="dally messenger"7 pages on one player signing
man people must be jealous
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If HKR had 4/5 non fed trained and added mason there would be no fuss.....but 9!
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| Quote ="dally messenger"7 pages on one player signing
man people must be jealous
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you're even more clueless than your previous posts would suggest..
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"you're even more clueless than your previous posts would suggest..'"
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| Quote ="Ceejames"If HKR had 4/5 non fed trained and added mason there would be no fuss.....but 9!'"
if hull ke can find creative ways around the rules good on them
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| Some people can't/don't want to see the bigger picture with this.
Mason is a great signing. The fact that he's signed for HKR is a total non issue.
It's fact that a club has circumvented rules designed for the good of the game as whole that is the issue.
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| Perhaps the RFL have relaxed the rules because they know that they are not able to legally impose these rules. I have long argued that under EU regulations many of our rules on players, contracts and the salary cap could be deemed illegal under.
Maybe its time just to throw away the rule book and let clubs sign who they want as they seem to be doing this already, who would notice a difference.
Does the international game really matter any more ?
We can always use the imported players as "English" or perhaps a change of international rules to allow players to play for whatever country they ply their trade in
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| Quote ="Scott_HKR"Now I have heard everything!
And Harrison Hansen is Samoan, but I think he counts as homegrown for Wigan (ala Lovegrove with us), so there's your 8th at Wigan.'"
Harrison Hansen was raised in this country and trained in this country, he played youth RL here, he played scholarship and academy RL here. He is, by any measure, trained in this country,
He isnt in anyway comparable to the special dispensation that was given to Hull KR to allow Lovegrove to count as homegrown for you.
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| Quote ="Ian P"Perhaps the RFL have relaxed the rules because they know that they are not able to legally impose these rules.'"
Yes they are. Quite legally.
Quote ="Ian P"I have long argued that under EU regulations many of our rules on players, contracts and the salary cap could be deemed illegal under.'"
You're mistaken.
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| Quote ="Scott_HKR"I think its certainly amplified though that Rovers are involved and it involves a high profile player. As I said before Wigan have 8 overseas players, but I've never once seen any of your fans on here post that they are a disgrace to the game as posts have been made about Rovers.'"
Stop being paranoid. Wigan are operating withing the rules of the game, as they were a few days ago at least, so the comparison is not relevant - although I'm fairly sure that if Wigan had signed, for example, Jarryd Hayne last week, and the RFL had said that he was classed as Home Federation trained, then people would have been in uproar about it.
People (well, most) are going on about the issue because it's [uan issue[/u and not because Hull KR are involved. People would be going on about it if Hull KR only had a total of 6 non English players because it seemingly is a massive U-turn on moves to increase the number of British players in Superleague. We all know that as it stand clubs seem to have up to 10 overseas players, but this is (well, was) only because of the dispensation for Kolpak/EU heritage players who've been over here since pre 2008; the fact that the crop of pre-2008 players cannot carry on playing forever meant that eventually all clubs would be limited to 5 non-federation players. This ruling (if it is so) now puts us back where we were when the problem was acknowledged.
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| Quote ="Iain"
People (well, most) are going on about the issue because it's [uan issue[/u and not because Hull KR are involved. People would be going on about it if Hull KR only had a total of 6 non English players because it seemingly is a massive U-turn on moves to increase the number of British players in Superleague. We all know that as it stand clubs seem to have up to 10 overseas players, but this is (well, was) only because of the dispensation for Kolpak/EU heritage players who've been over here since pre 2008; the fact that the crop of pre-2008 players cannot carry on playing forever meant that eventually all clubs would be limited to 5 non-federation players. This ruling (if it is so) now puts us back where we were when the problem was acknowledged.'"
Very well put.
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| Quote ="dally messenger"jealous.'"
you are either;
a) Not clever enough to understand the issue people have with the transfer.
b) see a
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| how many overseas players did the SL champions have last year? I am presuming it was below the magical 5 and Englnd will beat Australia number?
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| Quote ="Kosh"Yes they are. Quite legally.
You're mistaken.'"
Restriction of trade
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| Is it correct that in your squad of 25 you could have 8 homegrown players, 5 Australians and 12 Tongans, so with no injuries don't need to field any British players?
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