Like u said before if we're not going to "punish" clubs then we shouldn't have their names on trophies. Maurice Lindsay - King of The Challenge Cup.

I have never read so much nonsense as the club punishment argument. This is what happens when an iconic club hits the wall.

I've no complaints about a points deduction and can't understand anyone thinking we shouldn't.

well yeah me too. I don't quite know how this thread got this large. I can't argue against 4 points for admin and paying some of the debts. That is what the trolls want and it's what you and I think is fair. So what the hell the last 80+ pages is about I'm not entirely sure.

I am steadfast that half sky money on top is absurd.

As a footnote saying "if I called xyz a nazi..." is the equivalent of the old line to a copper "if I said you were a cn.t would you arrest me". Lets not pussy about; in that instance you HAVE called him a cn.t.

I thought the rule of an argument was that as soon as you relate someone or something to the nazis you have therefore lost the argument as you have no other intelligent (using that term loosely you understand) retort to add, and on that should by the thread now be locked?

Think it's got this long as many have had to add their 2 cents worth, opinions are like bumholes.

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I'm not sure teh poster who invoked Godwin has much credibility to lose tbh, tho I can understand the mods not wanting to be bothered with the 3 page “yu iz beans unfair 2 us” letter that would shirley follow any action against the post.

10 point deduction reduced to 6 if the CLUB pays off ITS debts.Easy

Apart from the fact the maximum is six points to start with.

True, but the bradford club going into administration twice in two years should mean they get treated as a special case

Special cases to increase punishments, open the door for special cases to decrease punishments.

There should (and will) be a flat, no ifs no buts policy. No exceptions, for better (or worse) - everyone knows in an insolvency event, there is a strict 12 point punishment for it.

6 points reduced to 4 for working with creditors is the precedent, there's no need for the rfl to break it's own rules.

My opinion stands a club that goes into administration twice in two years should be more severely punished.
Also working with creditors shouldnt be accepted.An agreement to pay back all creditors in a set period of time should be the only way of receiving a reduction in punishment

Hang 'em high

under your scenario creditors would be more likely to miss out. If a club can't pay all of them it might as well pay none.

What we need here is a fair trial, followed by a swift hanging....

Seriously, the precedent is 4 points out of a possible 6 and as long as there is written commitment from the Bulls Board to pay the creditors back before the end of the season then this is what should happen. Should they default on the written commitment a further 2 points should be deducted. Anyone arguing for no points or less than 4 don't have a leg to stand on as the rules are in place, and the RFL chose not to change them when they reintroduced P&R.

Regarding a further reduction of Sky money, that is ludicrous. They should receive the full entitlement just like every other member club, otherwise they are being punished twice for the same "crime".

Gas chamber, surely.

Why would this happen?

Well suppose the new company started off with 500k. They can use that to pay off the old creditors , and reduce a 6 point fine into a 4 point fine, or they can use the money selfishly to run the club, and make sure they don't risk administration again and a 10 point fine - pretty simple choice if the old creditors needed more than the 500k you have!

The Bradford bulls can attack its debts and problems in anyway it sees fit.
The governing body and the sport in general should then deal with the club accordingly.

This is the second time the club has gone into administration in two years,its clearly living beyond its means or simply taking the s with the blessing of the governing body and the SLE exec.

By increasing the punishment, you encouraging the club to not do the "honourable" thing - the Bradford team may of been a whole lot more sustainable if they hadn't done the honourable thing and carried the debts forward (I believe they did?)

No as we all know by increasing the punishment you force the club to do the honourable thing or they crash & burn.Which is how it should be.

The bradford club would be a whole lot more sustainable playing in front of 4k fans in the second tier with a measly rent of 6k a month and some good sponsors

So making choosing to ignore past debts for the sake of ensuring it doesn't happen again and being able to afford the squad you liked is doing the honourable thing? Because that's the decision increasing punishments incrementally clubs will take.

Or, by keeping it a flat rate, the club is (more) willing to honour the debts it had and thus have no benefit from the whole affair is a bad thing?

When a Club is bought by a new company from the Administrator of the old company, the RFL points deduction penalty on the Club should be based on:
The amount the new company pays the Administrator for the Club and
The amount owing to the creditors as determined by the Administrator.
It's the Administrator that uses this money to pay off the creditors, to the extent possible (after deducting his own fees!)

So any precedent for points deduction should not happen now or in the future because it affects staff, supporters and friends of the club ?
I think that you are starting to clutch at straws now Adey.
Of course these people would be affected, just have many others have been in the past.

How do you think the Rangers football fans felt when they dropped 2 divisions, or Portsmouth fans felt when their points deduction sent them down through the divisions.
I think that you will just have to take a deep breath and accept what is thrown your way, it could yet be little or nothing but, we all have to wait and see.

Bradford Bulls are not an abstract concept though. They are a business operating in SL, under membership of the RFL.

If the new "club" is not the same as the old "club", then they have no RFL membership, no SL licence and as such, need to apply for membership and would need to start in C2.

Thought we were going to find out what/any punishment this week?

My word. The penny has finally dropped. At least with one person. This is indeed, 100% what happens.