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| Quote Charlie Sheen="Charlie Sheen"I'd say it was as much to do with the top fighters seemingly unwilling to fight each other than it is politics. Kovalev-Stevenson is a prime example of a fight that should be easy to make, but the 2 camps are dragging their heels. It's infuriating from a fans POV. Especially when you consider a fight like Ray Leonard-Tommy Hearts was made in 5 minutes at the airport. Although Leonard did avoid Marvin Hagler for years so it's nothing new.'"
The top fighters and more importantly their managers, use the different belts to help increase the purse.
Also, if they can hang on to one or two belts, they can still claim to be world champion.
Of course, when there is a unification bout, they either need to be confident of winning or get a heap of cash (or both).
Although it may be better for the fans to watch a bout where everything is on the line, the promoters are happy for the titles to be spread about so they can put on a title bout more often.
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| Quote Charlie Sheen="Charlie Sheen"I'd say it was as much to do with the top fighters seemingly unwilling to fight each other than it is politics. Kovalev-Stevenson is a prime example of a fight that should be easy to make, but the 2 camps are dragging their heels. It's infuriating from a fans POV. Especially when you consider a fight like Ray Leonard-Tommy Hearts was made in 5 minutes at the airport. Although Leonard did avoid Marvin Hagler for years so it's nothing new.'"
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| Quote Wildthing="Wildthing"He's the defender of all things Rhino, whatever the point or full facts may be.'"
Not sure what's more embarrassing here, your made up post or the fact that you appear to agree with LifeLongHKRfan.
Obviously a knowledge of RL isn't a prerequisite to becoming a mod on here these days.
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| Quote LifeLongHKRFan="LifeLongHKRFan"Your intelligence astounds me. '"
I did try and dumb it down for you.
Crikey, are the schools really that bad in Hull?
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| Quote loiner81="loiner81"Not sure what's more embarrassing here, your made up post or the fact that you appear to agree with LifeLongHKRfan.
Obviously a knowledge of RL isn't a prerequisite to becoming a mod on here these days.'"
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| Quote loiner81="loiner81"I did try and dumb it down for you.
Crikey, are the schools really that bad in Hull?'"
I think you need to calm down. What's with all the insults? I have an opinion, you disagree with it. What's the problem? I bet you're a barrel of laughs at work/school. Do you have many friends?
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| Quote knockersbumpMKII="knockersbumpMKII"Murray shouldn't be in at all, he's failed miserably in singles so should only be in with team GB for a team award
Fury is a plastic champ in an era so devoid of talent it's ridiculous.
Ennis Hill will win but for me Peaty should get 2nd, absolute sensation in the pool, Whitlock as the first GB gold medal performance in the individual gymnastics at a world level is not to be sniffed at.
If Froome hadn't got knocked off his bike in the Vuelta and won it (as I reckon he would have done) and doing the double would have being in with a proper shout, as it is he won't.
Uness there are some shenanigans then Sinfield will be out of the running after the first round of shortlisting the short list.
Leeds would IMHO have won the team award were it not for the tennis lot...oh well'"
I appreciate the focus of this topic is RL but I just wanted to pick up on your point re Froome. He's more deserving a winner than Wiggins ever was. After all, Froome carried Wiggins on his back in 2012 and this years TDF was much tougher due to the parcours and quality of rider. Wiggins was favoured in 2012 due to the favourable ITTs.
As for Sinfield, it's great to see an RL player nominated. However, I can't help but feel it is merely tokenistic, with the BBC promoting one of the few sports that they televise.
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| Quote Enfield Exile="Enfield Exile"I appreciate the focus of this topic is RL but I just wanted to pick up on your point re Froome. He's more deserving a winner than Wiggins ever was. After all, Froome carried Wiggins on his back in 2012 and this years TDF was much tougher due to the parcours and quality of rider. Wiggins was favoured in 2012 due to the favourable ITTs.
As for Sinfield, it's great to see an RL player nominated. However, I can't help but feel it is merely tokenistic, with the BBC promoting one of the few sports that they televise.'"
Froome is probably (just) the better all rounder on the road comparing their peaks, but to say he carried Wiggins in 2012 is a little oversimplifying things to say the least and being a bit disingenuous to Brad. This year you could say that Froome got lucky (being in the front break on the 2nd stage which essentially cost Quintana the tour) he also had the strongest team SKY had assembled (Thomas's viewpoint), Stannard and Rowe were epic whilst superdomestic Geraint Thomas was superlative, without Thomas, Froome would never have won in a month of Sundays.
When Brad won SPOTY he was the first ever Brit to win the TdF which along with his Olympic TT win, Paris-Nice, Tour of Romandie and the Critérium du Dauphiné plus he did stand out because he had a personality and was outspoken against the media he justified his win IMHO.
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| Quote Enfield Exile="Enfield Exile"As for Sinfield, it's great to see an RL player nominated. However, I can't help but feel it is merely tokenistic, with the BBC promoting one of the few sports that they televise.'"
I thought the same, but it could 'backfire' on them as he is currently 3rd favourite with the bookies at 12/1
I don't think he'll win but a top 3 placing would be an amazing achievement
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| sinfield the rugby union player currently 3rd in the betting now
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| Quote brearley84="brearley84"sinfield the rugby union player currently 3rd in the betting now
he can showcase his trophy with the yorkshire carnegie'"
The show celebrates sporting achievements in the year 2015 95% of which was spent playing RL.
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| Quote Seth="Seth"The show celebrates sporting achievements in the year 2015 95% of which was spent playing RL.'"
Plus, 100% of his achievements were made in RL. But you can bet your life that a substantial part of the RL community will grab any excuse not to vote for a rival team's (former) player.
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Odds continue to lower with some bookies with him 7-8/1 with some now, comfortably ahead of Fury (roughly 25-1) and Hamilton as far back as 40-1 with some. 15p to vote, vote 10 times, that's only £1.50 to put a RL player in contention for even higher than 3rd place.
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Odds continue to lower with some bookies with him 7-8/1 with some now, comfortably ahead of Fury (roughly 25-1) and Hamilton as far back as 40-1 with some. 15p to vote, vote 10 times, that's only £1.50 to put a RL player in contention for even higher than 3rd place.
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| If you're an RL fan then VOTE KEV. Simple as that. Imagine having an RL player as SPOTY?? (YES AN RL PLAYER NOT A UNION PLAYER. ALL THE VT'S THAT ARE BEEN FILMED ARE RL RELATED) The profile that will do for the sport will be immense! No 3"x3" column on the latter sports pages of the times...Back page Kevin Sinfield of the Northern game called Rugby League on the back page of every national newspaper....Not to mention getting one over Union again this year after their poor WC campaign. I'm not just saying this because its Kevin Sinfield. I would still urge everyone to vote even if it was Tomkins... RL is the bigger picture here.
I'll be voting all night. 100 times if time allows, and that will only be £15.
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| There should be odds on how long it takes the BBC to ask Sinfield about his yawnion career.
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| Well, the amount of lobbying from the Loiners to rally the “R.L. Family” into voting for Sinfield is thoroughly enjoyable  .
We are the most myopic bunch of supporters in Christendom & I’m sure, if it was say Tomkins up for the award, the majority of Leeds fans would rather stick pins in their eyes than spend three bob promoting the game.
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| Quote The Devil's Advocate="The Devil's Advocate"Well, the amount of lobbying from the Loiners to rally the “R.L. Family” into voting for Sinfield is thoroughly enjoyable
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We are the most myopic bunch of supporters in Christendom & I’m sure, if it was say Tomkins up for the award, the majority of Leeds fans would rather stick pins in their eyes than spend three bob promoting the game.'"
Wrong (where I'm concerned anyway and I guess for thousands of others). Though I'm an atheist so maybe I can't speak for the others you mention!
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| Quote The Devil's Advocate="The Devil's Advocate"Well, the amount of lobbying from the Loiners to rally the “R.L. Family” into voting for Sinfield is thoroughly enjoyable
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We are the most myopic bunch of supporters in Christendom & I’m sure, if it was say Tomkins up for the award, the majority of Leeds fans would rather stick pins in their eyes than spend three bob promoting the game.'"
If Tomkins was as humble and thought more of his team as Sinfield did I would happily vote for him
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| Quote The Devil's Advocate="The Devil's Advocate"Well, the amount of lobbying from the Loiners to rally the “R.L. Family” into voting for Sinfield is thoroughly enjoyable
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We are the most myopic bunch of supporters in Christendom & I’m sure, if it was say Tomkins up for the award, the majority of Leeds fans would rather stick pins in their eyes than spend three bob promoting the game.'"
You're not wrong actually. (Albeit you cannot compare Tomkins to Sinfield in terms of professionalism and what he has given the game)
Sadly RL fans have a huge club mentality. Always have and it gets right on my t!ts. When it comes to internationals 90% of RL fans are "Why isnt [i*insert my clubs three best players*[/i in there". Its about time, and actually the latest international series seemed to be a stepping stone, that all fans from all clubs grasp the bigger picture.
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| Quote The Devil's Advocate="The Devil's Advocate"Well, the amount of lobbying from the Loiners to rally the “R.L. Family” into voting for Sinfield is thoroughly enjoyable
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I'd have no problem voting for Logan Tomkins if he got nominated, can't see that happening though
To be fair, Sam is halfway through his career. A better example would be Paul Wellens. A one club man that was right up there with Sinfield for appearances and representing what his club was all about. If he were nominated I wouldn't hesitate to vote for him.
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| Quote ThePrinter="ThePrinter"I'd have no problem voting for Logan Tomkins if he got nominated, can't see that happening though

To be fair, Sam is halfway through his career. A better example would be Paul Wellens. A one club man that was right up there with Sinfield for appearances and representing what his club was all about. If he were nominated I wouldn't hesitate to vote for him.'"
Yep but it’s not about rewarding a player who’s had a glittering club career though is it.
It’s purely about the achievements of a sportsman/woman in 2015.
Has Sinfield had a stellar season this year, well not IMO, has he been a great servant to the Leeds club, for sure, but the award isn’t for career achievements.
But let’s be fair, it’s very rare that the winner plays in a team sport & the only time a Union player won was when England took the World Cup!
It’s a pure pipedream that Sinfield will win the thing, even though the Leeds fans are being swept along on a tide of dewy eyed emotion.
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| You can vote for free with a BBC ID, I'll certainly be voting for Sinfield and Leeds aren't exactly one of the clubs I might have a soft spot for (despite battering the dobbins in the CC final  ) but I respect the rugby they played this year and whatever the reason he was nominated for he's on the list so gets my vote and I normally wouldn't bother.
It'd be one in the eye for the establishment, a great coup for RL and whatever Sinfield might think about the whole process it'd be good for him too and a fitting culmination to his career.
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| Quote The Devil's Advocate="The Devil's Advocate"...It's a pure pipedream that Sinfield will win the thing...'"
I think you're right, but I reckon we can get him in the top 3 and on the stage.
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| Quote RhinoNeil="RhinoNeil"If you're an RL fan then VOTE KEV. Simple as that. Imagine having an RL player as SPOTY?? (YES AN RL PLAYER NOT A UNION PLAYER. ALL THE VT'S THAT ARE BEEN FILMED ARE RL RELATED) The profile that will do for the sport will be immense! No 3"x3" column on the latter sports pages of the times...Back page Kevin Sinfield of the Northern game called Rugby League on the back page of every national newspaper....Not to mention getting one over Union again this year after their poor WC campaign. I'm not just saying this because its Kevin Sinfield. I would still urge everyone to vote even if it was Tomkins... RL is the bigger picture here.
I'll be voting all night. 100 times if time allows, and that will only be £15.'"
Back pages??? Thats just fantasy,he could win it and it really wont have the impact many are believing it will
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| Quote The Devil's Advocate="The Devil's Advocate"Yep but it’s not about rewarding a player who’s had a glittering club career though is it.
It’s purely about the achievements of a sportsman/woman in 2015.
Has Sinfield had a stellar season this year, well not IMO, has he been a great servant to the Leeds club, for sure, but the award isn’t for career achievements.
But let’s be fair, it’s very rare that the winner plays in a team sport & the only time a Union player won was when England took the World Cup!
It’s a pure pipedream that Sinfield will win the thing, even though the Leeds fans are being swept along on a tide of dewy eyed emotion.'"
Sinfield captained Leeds in a season they won every competition available to them. That is a pretty stellar season.
Id agree that Sinfield has played better, id even agree that he has been more important to leeds in some years, but there hasnt been a more successful year, and there hasnt been a year he has achieved more.
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