More about the stability of the position of the club in Super League with the chaos around P&R

A league that has licences granted and no P&R. You know, much like what we've had for the past 6 years

Not much to show for it has he. Could have built a nice stadium with that cash.....

I doubt you could buy the land for that amount in or around London, let alone build a stadium.
Without a sugar daddy at least in the short/medium term London cannot survive.
I think though, it will be a massive blow for RL if London Broncos disappear and be more evidence of the inward looking, parochial nature of the sport and its administration.

Or a nice garden...

Nope.....it was a troll.
No it wasn't ....it was a troll

Trolling with a lame attempt at a personal insult to garner a response....poor effort.

yet your trolling prevents you from identifying what other clubs have brought to SL......trolling of the lowest order.


and you finish with yet another troll....

I'd also like to bring the regal trophy back, rename it the London cup and award it to London every year instead after the challenge cup is awarded. Imagine the new fans that would attract....

Also

I'd like to propose that for every fan London attract to a home game, the rest of the clubs in SL match the entrance fee of that fan.

It has little to do with how many fans London have or even bring to away games. I have already shown many times that London being replaced by say a Fev or Halifax would add less than 1 half or 1% to the turn overs of SL clubs....but narrow minded idiots continue with dreams of 3,000 Halifax fans at Widnes


London s failure is down to a combination of bad ownership/management decisions and the abject failure of the RFL and other SL clubs to understand how to manage an expansion.
The Irony would not be lost on most fans of the sport if after London fold, the TV revenue dropped......given darts pulls in more viewers than SL now, it's not a given that Uncle Rupert will keep upping the cash...

More to do with the fact nobody gives a bollox about attending top flight rugby in the capital city, if more people did then your club would not be on its last legs.

nope...more to do with the fact that the RFL and D.Hughes could never agree on who should pay to market the game in the south when the only real beneficiary was the game itself.
The games where they tried to do something (not arty ing farty viral videos) they actually got crowds in bigger numbers.....the club was never marketed properly.
There are an estimated 1,000,000 expat northerners in London....when the bigger teams visit a decent proportion of "away" fans are in fact, locals....never have the RFL offered to help identify these people, even though they has the details on 22,000 of them from the last Wembley double header.

And what about pre Hughes ??? Hardly a ten year wait for season tickets.....

I freely admit to the club being run by idiots and that includes Branson, who totally ignored everything he has ever done with any of his other brands and simply believed that sticking posts in the ground would attract fans.
Moving from pillar to post was a farce as well. Charlton was always too big, The stoop v1 was a mistake, Brentford was a ground that saw crowds grow (and 2 play-off appearances) and the stoop 2 has been totally ed up by a combination of horrendous decision at both club and RFL level.

London Broncos at the Hive, protected from relegation for 10 years and owned 40% by an investor and 60% by SLE would see the club grow to a self sufficient entity that would deliver thousands of potential new RL players to the game....London Broncos under the sole ownership of 1 man has failed over 18 years.....if it is allowed to continue as that it will continue to fail.

Any news on what London have brought to super league yet?

Catalans needed 3 years, London have had 33 and you want ten more ??? Then what ??? Another ten and another ten and another ten ..... Flogging a dead horse

Careful.

You will be accused of trolling if you make any negative comments towards London.

So these away fans, why would they stop supporting their team and switch over to London now if they'd not done it before? Even if the RFL chose to target these fans, they're fans of visiting clubs so they're only going to show up once a year. You say London hasn't been marketed properly, I don't think targeting those people would be worthwhile as they're clearly not interested in seeing London.

The fact is no one beyond a few dozen London fans seems to actually care if there's a SL club in London or not.

There's all this talk about how it's nots fair, London should have a bigger salary cap to compensate for their geographical location and all the rest of it. And personally, I'd say fine, they can have the bigger cap if they can financially justify it by bringing in big enough crowds and income to pay for the larger cap and not be reliant on massive year on year bailouts from their owner as that's unsustainable as the current situation clearly shows. But there just isn't the interest in the sport or the club in the area. If there was then the club would at least be able to point at it's crowds and say "Look, we have people coming" but they don't and really never have. There's no truly viable fanbase there either home or away. Certainly not away. Most other SL clubs have gotten wise to the fact they're going to get a poor crowd when London come to town and most now use that game for some kind of cut price ticket offer to try and encourage local fans to come down to make up the shortfall.


Yes, the club may be poorly marketed, but what about when you were linked with Harlequins? One of the most recognisable club brands in either code. Still failed to grab anyone's interest. Still failed to find a market to BE marketed in. If London was a real bronco, it would have been shot years ago for being lame.

For a London RL CLUB TO BE SUCCESSFUL at top level needs lessons to be learned from the Fulham days. The club has to become part of an established London soccer club. Play there, take it's name, play in its colours and win over the bulk of the soccer clubs fans.

why? are you having trouble identifying anything that other SL clubs have brought that London haven't?

No, he makes a relevant point by addressing the success of Catalan Dragons.....you on the other hand have yet to make a relevant point.

If london dont make it Huddersfield should have their catalan away fixture swapped from the rubbish march tie to the better august one

First up, to say "even if" in regards to marketing strategy is pointless. The RFL claim 22,000 of the crowd who attended the 4 Nations Doubleheader were London based....surely if these people attended a RL international, then top flight RL is of interest to them? The fact that the RFL, armed with this data have not used it to assist in the expansion of the game outside of its heartlands is a mistake.


If that was a fact, we'd have been dead in the water in 2005. Yes, we don't have the 6,500 ST holders that Bradford have(10,000 if the price is right

) and yes, the club have failed miserably as a commercial entity within the constraints of the current ownership model. Nobody denies this.


Actually, the only unfairness in the whole situation is that the RFL have expected private investors to bankroll their expansion......everything else, including London Weighting or more Australian players is sheer window dressing. You'd be hard pressed to find another SL club owner who has sunk 10million + into their club and yet the RFL seem content to let London die....



We didn't need a bigger cap to make Wembley or 2 play-offs which is more than some current SL clubs have managed in 18 seasons....what we need is access to Rugby League players. RL players from the north will not come south...their 50k a year goes twice as far up north and we aren't prepared to pay over the odds for sub standard players when we can pick up better quality overseas. Having a bigger allowance on the quota hasn't stopped the talent starting to come through....LMS is doing well at Saints, Wigan have picked up 2 more Cockneys...it is a long process and we are at the first generation stage. Speak to Brian Mac at Leeds about the talented kids coming through....cockneys being picked at age group and now for the Knights....losing the pro club risks that development.



less than 1/2 of 1% is the difference to the annual turn over of the Bradford Bulls between London visiting Bradford and Widnes....and as for London's home crowds, there has never been any proper marketing so we will probably never know if the audience is there....it comes back to "who should pay for the expansion of the game outside its heartlands?"




London Broncos/Harlequins RL started to die the day the RFL told IL he had to let go of us if he wanted to own Wigan.....we could have been connected with Chelsea or Arsenal and it would have made no difference....we had an investor with a 5 year and 10 year plan.....the RFL took that away from us. The NRL at one sage had 3 clubs owned by the broadcast partner......and 1 expansion club on extra money....the NRL is a strong competition....do I need to draw a map for you?



shows the level of veterinary care in Bradford hasn't changed since Noah was pilling them in 2 by 2 then

Let's replace the Bronco's in SL, with the London Skolars !!!!!
"I am a genius" !

I'd take the owner and administrators at the Skolars over those at London Broncos in a heartbeat......what they have slowly started to achieve there is brilliant, but I do remind you that they're on the pitch successes are down in no small part to the development work done by the London SL team.....

The writing's been on the wall for a long time, mostly due to incompetence from our board and the lack of promotion from the RFL down here. They can go on about having a London presence, but what have they done to develop the sport here? I haven't seen anything advertising the Wembley semi-finals in London, and I was at the Chile game recently and there was nothing locally or at Wembley stadium promoting the event.

Even if we do survive this, which I don't believe we will, we'll just see another name change and ground hopping, before the owner loses interest and we're back at square one again. The only decent chance we've had was the Harlequins link up, which gave us a home, a local base to grow on, links with St Mary's University etc. but we've thrown it all away to change name back to a previously failed club. The idea from the board was that the Broncos name would grow the fanbase again, but it has fallen heavily, because our fans have been disillusioned watching the same crap week after week and having no answers from the inept board, who have now blamed the location for our support falling rather than the obvious.

The worst part is, they'll be over 70,000 fans in London this weekend, maybe 10/15% have never been to a game before, and it would have been the perfect time to promote the club in the programme, with flyers, announcements etc, in the hope of finding more fans.

The only way I can see a brighter future, is to have a local community club in Championship 1 and build from there, sharing with a local non-league club and just using our academy players in the squad, whilst most importantly growing a local community aspect, something we've never even attempted in 33 years.

EVEN THE FREAK IS RIGHT


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As an outsider to the sport when I fist started watching in 2002 I was scathing as to the lack of any professionalism or marketing off the pitch.....I was a doom monger from the day I joined these boards and it is with no pleasure that I say I could see this coming back in 2002 if changes weren't made.
We tripped and nearly fell in 2005 but Ian Lenagan came to our rescue, only for the short sighted RFL to pull him and his cash out of the club......what has gone on at the club since then is a slow death...overseen by the RFL who have been compliant in their inactivity and an owner who was too pig headed to spend his cash where it was needed.