I agree with you that cutting the league hasn't driven up standards, the quality of play is the worst I can remember right now.

I also think there's a risk of at least one club being lured to Union eventually. Union still hasn't broken the North despite its best efforts such as sending Johnny Wilkinson to Newcastle. Grabbing St Helens, a proper Leeds or Wigan would be a big prize and would add to the Premiership which is already looking to expand.

Here’s a radical plan to improve the game. Stop fkn about with league set-ups and blindly following what the NRL do with constant rule changes.

I don’t know about getting more people interested in the game because at the moment they’re far more likely to lose the interest of those they already have.

Not sure how reducing the number to f teams makes the sport more appealing just repeat fixtures all the time. Boring. Happened in the championship a while ago and was terrible as teams repeat playing each other they are so familiar with each other they come up with tactics to negate best players and you just end up with 80 minute arm wrestles. If anything extend number bring more fans and players into the mix.

How on this earth do you deduce that Championshipnclubs wasted tens of millions?
The ' elite ' clubs have benefited for years from the money from the broadcast deal and the sport is where it is.
The ' elite ' clubs have been allowed and assisted to get richer.
It isn't, and wasn't, the fault of non - elite clubs that the great and good cannot get decent attendances for their own play- off games or the ' every minute matters ' games against st Championship clubs.
The wasted money on Elstone and Private Equity proved how wonderful it is when the elite owners are left to their own devices.
Even now only the elite are allowed reserve sides and academies.
The rich get richer and the rest can die.
From the vortex to the abyss.Well done the elite.
Be very grateful the much maligned RFL,have,in the past,got the elite owners some money to waste.So you can now blame the impoverished,the unlucky,ne'er-do-wells,for the incompetence and ineptitude of the elite clubs,and their owners who failed during the best of times.Yet you still believe they'll do the right things during the worst of times.
The jewels in the crown?
You probably believed the summer era,playing on nice pitches,in a Super League, would improve our players and we would beat the Aussies...
Yet here are your elite clubs,with their elite owners,still requiring overseas players and overseas head coaches.
Keep following the yellow brick Road...

Wakefield are doing better than Featherstone, and before Daryl Powell came along Cas were no great shakes and were relegated once and escaped relegation on points difference another time. Wheldon road is in a poor state and there's no money for improvements, meanwhile Carter is improving Belle Vue.. But the point here is for balance there has to be a "Calder" club in Superleague and without Powell's undoubted magic, Castleford are no better a bet than Wakey....

Wakey do well banking the funding and surviving. That’s what’s needs to change.

Not your best post mate, Paul Caddick the massively rich builder went to Headingley to turn his Union club into a pro RU outfit. It was a complete disaster.

The M62 is a wasteland for professional Rugby Union, just as the south, the midlands, Scotland Ireland and Wales (and Canada) are wastelands for Rugby league.

This is why we must continue to be an "M62" game.....

I know mate and you'd have a massive point arguing that Leigh in their modern ground with their highly committed wealthy owner are a better bet than Wakefield, and probably a second Hull club, and maybe even Huddersfield

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They offer absolutely nothing to rugby league when looking at the bigger picture.

But neither do Salford, Leigh and hull kr so it’s unfair to single out Wakefield

Admins why do you keep letting this knob on here?

You could argue that I guess, fans location etc. I'm not saying I agree, but there's an argument that can be made.

But the one thing that trumps everything - they've earnt it on the field (apart from leigh technically) So perhaps they offer the most important thing of all?

Magic pays zero wages at the RFL, its a Super League property.

It also generates money for the clubs when they sell tickets to their own fans.

It's more likely to be half of that, the Sky money pays for a lot more than just to Super League clubs central distribution.

He's not arguing anything. anyone who invests, organises, watches, plays, (etc etc) Rugby League adds something to the game.

The last deal was set out by Martyn Sadler in terms of where every £Pound was to go. Very large sums indeed didn't go to Superleague clubs so this current deal certainly [i"pays for a lot more than Superleague". [/i

But all the indications are that Superleague take the view SKY money is for clubs who fulfill the SKY contract, and it seems SKY also take that view, and it is not for clubs who do not fulfill the contract. The last deal was negotiated and distributed by the RFL.

[i"This deal has been negotiated by Superleague and again the indications are that they will take the "Lions share"........."The new deal is thought to be worth around UK£25 million a year, compared to UK£40 million a year at present. After the 12 Super League clubs take their share, it could leave little for the Rugby Football League (RFL), which lost the right to conduct the broadcast negotiations when Super League clubs broke away from the governing body in 2018, and the clubs in the second and third tiers of the professional pyramid"[/i

The 12 SL clubs were given "£1,825,000 per club per year" from the existing deal so £25M a year shared by twelve SL clubs would be just over £2Million each.......An increase for the 12 SL clubs...... a greater increase if SL was 10 clubs, and a greater increase still if SL includes the French on their own TV deal....

Way things are going with funding and protectionist attitude of the bigger clubs we will be down to a Supper League of about 8 teams! What a joke. We need a new business model. What are people’s thoughts about the 14 next year and 10 year after could be some mad pressure games mid table! 10 clubs lots of loop fixtures is that what fans want?

People were wrong to assume Leigh's elevation to Superleague made it inevitable they would go down, I was wrong to assume Salford would make way for them by losing their ground thus their SL place. It looks like the 12 will be joined by Fev and TO to make the 14 so French clubs do not look like they will be rejected even if there is no French TV deal.

That 14 clubs are to fight it out for the ten spots means there are no politics, all clubs are even, all 14 clubs have the right to be in a 10 club SL1 league 2023. That's fine.

But once the first division of 10 is finalised do the 4 clubs who get relegated then join the six top clubs in the Championship to make a 10 club SL2? What about the clubs outside the 2x10's??? It'll be great fun at the top end of the pyramid, but carnage amongst those at the broader base?

Will there be a division 3 and if not....................
Will RL in Cumbria be effectively wiped out?
What about Newcastle hoisted up out of League2 by SL clubs favourability if they don't make the top 20?
What about York - well out of the top 20 now?
What about Dewsbury's 146 year history?...........And so it goes on. For me the real "Mad pressure" is on clubs beyond the 20

This is the point about 10 clubs in SL.

It delivers third fixtures between all top clubs. Purists & attendees at grounds are already moaning they don't want to see Wigan play their club three times and prefer that the plan was for 14 Superleague clubs 26 games home and away plus magic.

So does the game listen to SKY or does the game listen to this group of fans? I'd suggest SKY will get what SKY wants as SKY pays and that will be the best viewer ratings, ie. Saints and Wigan for a third time or Salford.v.Huddersfield for a first time

Relegated twice actually.

We never survived on points difference. The year we finished 2nd bottom there was no relegation.

If anything that probably enhances your point tbf..

I'm not necessarily a fan of going to 10 but if it's a starting block and as reported the difference in money between SL1 and 2 won't be huge then once there are a handful of super League 2 sides hitting key targets like attendances sponsorship deals then we could look to increase numbers.

25m for super League 1 is a great deal unfortunately it's more than likely it's for the top two leagues with super League 2 getting the championship treatment of no TV games. Surely there has to be a way of getting SL2 Gabe's on an other broadcaster or free to air TV as a minimum ? Hopefully with two french sides there's s better chance of a TV deal from France these deals don't have to be the same figures sky are paying but will certainly help get more money into all of the league's ontop of sky's money.

Ii did read something about the planned talks and reduced numbers in the league but also mentioned was a new cup somp as would be fewer fixtures ? There are still a few meetings planned so hopefully there will be some info on that ?

Reducing the league to 10 is just an easy solution in trying to get a division which would be higher in quality with a strong league top to bottom.

Its a ridiculous idea which would say that Super League has been a failure and not 'Super' at all.

Most new projects start and then the plan is through time expand the league with new teams but no not Super League. There idea is to cut the top league to 10 teams lol.

Make SL a 20 team league with no salary cap......but a limit on overseas trained players
Year 1, every side gets an equal share of the TV money
Year 2 onwards, your finishing position decides how much central funding you get......210 shares of the TV money......1st place gets 20, last place gets 1. If the cash is £10,000,000 then last place gets you £50k.......first place gets you £1,000,000

A number of things will happen. Firstly, wealthy owners will be allowed to buy success, but more importantly, medium sized and below clubs will be 100% in charge of their own destiny....more fans = more income from tickets, bars, food, merch and sponsors......SL clubs have become lazy and have their 1.8 million a year allocated and spent by Feb each year....this will ensure they have to fight for survival. Every game will matter, with each step on the ladder (table) worth 50k.......Wigan for example will be able to field an academy squad against Swinton, but over time clubs will rise up. The Likes of Argyle are out there....blokes with a passion for the game and deep pockets, but the closed shop of SL with 3k crowds rattling around Salford isn't going to attract them....but clubs like Bradford, Featherstone etc will have a real incentive to get out into the community and get bodies through the turnstiles.

and if clubs go bust, then so be it. They have no right to exist if they solely rely on hand outs and a wealthy owner.....sod bemoaning 130 years of 'istory.....its a professional sport in a busy marketplace...shape up or ship out!

Who don't last five minutes.....Koukash?

As I say...if clubs fold, they fold! We need to stop this protectionist malarky and realise we're a sport fighting for a share of the pot and if we spend less time worrying about Salford or London's reliance on rich blokes and more about figuring out how to attract fans to games we'd be in better shape.
4k+ at PO road today for the top of the table clash....5.5k for Wigan v Wakey last week.....superleague isn't the be all and end all.....there's clubs outside the fence at the moment that could be bigger if given the chance, so stop paying £1.8 million life support and let the dice fall where they will....

Where are these "new teams" going to come from "through time"?