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| David Furners reaction was gold.
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| Quote ="Gronk!"Or, as an inconvenient truth to you...I wasn't fully paying attention to the TV and only caught a part of the replay where Watts is stood still, if anyone can show me a replay of him actually moving and obstructing a player then I'll say it was correct.
But as I said, Leeds were the better team and deserved to win anyway.'"
I saw it the players saw it the crowd saw it and most importantly the ref saw it, repmays showed it, but you say it was some sort of massive injustice so eveyone else must be wrong.
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| Quote ="Gronk!"Or, as an inconvenient truth to you...I wasn't fully paying attention to the TV and only caught a part of the replay where Watts is stood still, if anyone can show me a replay of him actually moving and obstructing a player then I'll say it was correct.
But as I said, Leeds were the better team and deserved to win anyway.'"
Did you have your T.V. on pause?
Do you really believe Watt's was stood like a mannequin?
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| I wanted to Castleford to win tonight but my what a fantastic end to end game of Rugby League.
The entertainment level has increased significantly this season.
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| Watts just sorta leans in a bit, Dwyer was going to run in to him no matter what, that was his entire plan, run in to Watts, do the dying swan and see what happens.
Well, he leaned in a bit and gave the ref a reason, it was a 50/50 chance he didn't need to take.
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| Quote ="nathancroucher"I wanted to Castleford to win tonight but my what a fantastic end to end game of Rugby League.
The entertainment level has increased significantly this season.'"
Funny that, I didn't want either to win,
Great game once again, I think you're bang on, there's been some decent games on.
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| Was always coming for Leeds I’ve felt. They haven’t been atrocious this season but for large spells they just fall asleep.
Cas had 3 opportunities for that drop goal, should have gone way before mcshanes brain fart.
God knows what parcel was doing in the tuck to give that penalty away.
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| Strange feeling, good to get the win but still massively concerning how we easily collapsed again, only reason we didn’t lose it is because McShane got greedy. Against any other club he would’ve passed the ball but he still has a massive chip on his shoulder from Leeds letting him go.
Leeds kicking game was awful and once Cas got to grips with Hurrell in the 2nd half we didn’t have much of another plan.
As for Gronk complaining about the Watts decision, Leeds had two calls against them in the previous set that could’ve given us a kickable penalty. Mata’utia laying in the ruck and trips up Myler and Hurrell incorrectly adjudged to have knocked on when Cas hands were clearly involved.
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| Quote ="Pats plastic pitch"Was always coming for Leeds I’ve felt. They haven’t been atrocious this season but for large spells they just fall asleep.
Cas had 3 opportunities for that drop goal, should have gone way before mcshanes brain fart.
God knows what parcel was doing in the tuck to give that penalty away.'"
Coupled with Watts's "alleged" misdemeanour it was getting silly, oh well, if they didn't have the odd "revert to type" they'd probably be playing at better clubs.
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| I think the penalty on Watts was justified. No need for him to stick his arm out like he did, they’d have still have had to run around him. McShane was lucky not to get 10 for the elbow on myler. Nothing damaging but just stupid.
I feel Cas need McShane at hooker, I’m worried about them without him. Still a good squad but he really gets them going and playing better. Watts and Foster had good games, can’t remember Eden getting the ball, needed him to score
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| Whoever thinks Watts did nothing wrong needs to give their head a shake. He couldnt have made it more obvious if he’d have told Thaler what he was gonna do. He stops, takes a step to the right creating a wider leg stance and slightly drops his shoulder in preparation for the impact. Granted, Dwyer knew what he was doing and milked it well, but Watts made it easy for Thaler.
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| Quote ="Rhinoshaund III"Whoever thinks Watts did nothing wrong needs to give their head a shake. He couldnt have made it more obvious if he’d have told Thaler what he was gonna do. He stops, takes a step to the right creating a wider leg stance and slightly drops his shoulder in preparation for the impact. Granted, Dwyer knew what he was doing and milked it well, but Watts made it easy for Thaler.'"
This. The frustrating thing is that Dwyer wouldn’t have got near Trueman anyway. Watts should have made himself as small as possible and fallen over when Dwyer ran into him.
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| how lucky was leeds
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"This. The frustrating thing is that Dwyer wouldn’t have got near Trueman anyway. Watts should have made himself as small as possible=#FF0000 and fallen over when Dwyer ran into him.'" so that's how you like to play the game conning the ref eh
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| Quote ="Angelus"Leeds have had a point to prove for the last several weeks and have consistently failed to prove it. I'll be the first to admit if i'm wrong but should be a simple win for Cas.'"
Well, i was wrong. Although I'm convinced Cas lost it more than Leeds won it. Leeds will be happy to get the win, but i'd be concerned that Cas only played for about 10 minutes and could (should) have won the game.
And don't get me started on Golden point. Whoever wins the coin toss wins the game.
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| Quote ="Gronk!"The replay I saw Watts never moved, Dwyer ran into him...Seen worse let go at pretty much every drop goal, including the one that sent Cas to Old Trafford.'" I suggest you make an appointment at your opticians
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| Watched it with mixture of FC/KR fans in pub. Good game with plenty of incident.General feeling was Leeds just about deserved that win overall? Thought Merrin was very good and when he went off Cas got a roll on. Still think it's harsh to lose OT with 1st set drop goal and losing side doesn't get hands on the ball. Poor reward for a draw after 80.
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| Quote ="Angelus"Well, i was wrong. Although I'm convinced Cas lost it more than Leeds won it.'"
Got to agree, we threw that away, we were just lucky that Watts and McShane conspired to throw it back to us. We could’ve done with that good fortune last year when we lost 4/5 one point games
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| The Golden Point is an unwanted gimmick, won by the toss. A draw should say a draw.
Thaler will be embarrassed by the review panel.
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| Quote ="reffy"The Golden Point is an unwanted gimmick, won by the toss. A draw should say a draw.
Thaler will be embarrassed by the review panel.'"
Agree 100%.
If they are to bring it in as a serious ending to a game then they should do as they do in the NFL and say that the team with first possession needs to score a try to win. Very harsh to lose a match without even touching the ball.
Then again, I think drop goals should be taken out of the equation completely when GP rolls round and a penalty or try should be the only way to win it.
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| Quote ="Angelus"Well, i was wrong. Although I'm convinced Cas lost it more than Leeds won it. Leeds will be happy to get the win, but i'd be concerned that Cas only played for about 10 minutes and could (should) have won the game.
And don't get me started on Golden point. Whoever wins the coin toss wins the game.'"
So it was nowhere even close to a simple Cas win then? How magnanimous of you to be so badly wrong and yet only begrudgingly acknowledge Leeds victory and give them no credit whatsoever for it.
I'd also argue that it's an interesting take that Cas, who were never in the lead, lost it rather than Leeds who were in front for 60 of the 80 won it. The fact that Cas could have won at the end doesn't change who the better team were for the majority of the game.
Our goal kicking was shocking again.
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| Quote ="Big Jim Slade"So it was nowhere even close to a simple Cas win then? How magnanimous of you to be so badly wrong and yet only begrudgingly acknowledge Leeds victory and give them no credit whatsoever for it.
I'd also argue that it's an interesting take that Cas, who were never in the lead, lost it rather than Leeds who were in front for 60 of the 80 won it. The fact that Cas could have won at the end doesn't change who the better team were for the majority of the game.
Our goal kicking was shocking again.'"
I think you're reading a bit much into my post. I thought, given that Leeds were bottom of the table on -58 points difference, Cas would win it. I said I'd admit if i was wrong and I did.
I refer to Cas losing it as they had 4 or 5 chances to win the game at the end, but didnt take any of them. If McShane/Watts werent stupid, Cas would have won. Leeds had one chance and took it. Fair play to them.
Yes, Leeds were the better team for 60 minutes. But, as i said, they completely fell apart for 20 minutes and almost lost. If i was a Leeds fan that would concern me.
If you want a discussion I'm happy to have one but theres no need to be so snippy because i have an opinion that differs to yours.
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| Quote ="Big Jim Slade"So it was nowhere even close to a simple Cas win then? How magnanimous of you to be so badly wrong and yet only begrudgingly acknowledge Leeds victory and give them no credit whatsoever for it.
I'd also argue that it's an interesting take that Cas, who were never in the lead, lost it rather than Leeds who were in front for 60 of the 80 won it. The fact that Cas could have won at the end doesn't change who the better team were for the majority of the game.
Our goal kicking was shocking again.'"
Your goal kicking was the same as ours !
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| Quote ="Angelus"I think you're reading a bit much into my post. I thought, given that Leeds were bottom of the table on -58 points difference, Cas would win it. I said I'd admit if i was wrong and I did.
I refer to Cas losing it as they had 4 or 5 chances to win the game at the end, but didnt take any of them. If McShane/Watts werent stupid, Cas would have won. Leeds had one chance and took it. Fair play to them.
Yes, Leeds were the better team for 60 minutes. But, as i said, they completely fell apart for 20 minutes and almost lost. If i was a Leeds fan that would concern me.
If you want a discussion I'm happy to have one but theres no need to be so snippy because i have an opinion that differs to yours.'"
You initially said that you'd be the first to admit you were wrong, but that this was going to be a simple Cas win.
Leeds win.
Cas never take the lead and are behind for an hour of the match.
Not only was it not a simple win, it was a defeat to a Leeds team that played better on the night.
Your response? I was wrong but Cas lost that, Leeds didn't win it.
Having a different opinion is what makes the world go round, but if you're going to admit you were wrong then don't qualify it. You said a simple win, you were badly wrong on that. You give Leeds zero credit for actually winning the game, we should just be grateful that Cas had an off night.
How should I take that?
And as for the what if game, if the referee had had a better game Cas wouldn't have got back in to it in the first place, if Leeds had a kicker we'd have been 26-4 up and Cas almost certainly wouldn't have come back, if McShane had been sent off... etc. etc. It's an 80 minute game, you can't just look at what happened in the last 2 minutes and say that's what decided it.
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| Quote ="nathancroucher"I wanted to Castleford to win tonight but my what a fantastic end to end game of Rugby League.
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The entertainment has increased whilst the quality has decreased. That was a dreadful first 40 minutes quality wise, yes it adds to the drama but the rugby is second rate. Thats SL though not just those 2 teams.
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