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| So as you have been saying for the last god knows how many years, your solution for everything is magic free money for your club.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"So as you have been saying for the last god knows how many years, your solution for everything is magic free money for your club.'"
More a case of actually understanding that some clubs require different types of help , unfortunatly the RFL are clueless at this type of understanding , that is of course if they really do want the sport to grow , I sometimes think they dont , they only want parts of it to be a success , and want others to struggle to further their own agenda's
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| Quote ="maurice"I would advise that when you stand up, make sure you get all that sand out of your ears.'" I take this to mean that Smokey isn't wrong then.
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| Quote ="Starbug"More a case of actually understanding that some clubs require different types of help , '" So we should all actually understand that different clubs need different help? Like expansion clubs and heatland clubs. Like for instance Crusaders and Widnes? Quote unfortunatly the RFL are clueless at this type of understanding , that is of course if they really do want the sport to grow , I sometimes think they dont , they only want parts of it to be a success , and want others to struggle to further their own agenda's'" So you think the RFL are like you and the rest of the flatcap brigade then?
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| I think that the RFL want financially viable and sustainable clubs, that meet a minimum standard set for a competition, regardless of their location and/or history.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA":agtl09tzSo we should all actually understand that different clubs need different help? Like expansion clubs and heatland clubs. Like for instance Crusaders and Widnes?So you think the RFL are like you and the rest of the flatcap brigade then?'" about VISA's , Championship expansion clubs need probably very similar help to heartland Championship clubs , maybe thats why the new expansion clubs in the Championship are struggling just like the rest
Some clubs just need massive cash ' bail outs ' to continue to operate , and theatrical press releases about ' Iconic ' stadiums
So yes all clubs are slightly different , but there are specific groups of clubs that require certain types of help
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| Quote ="Starbug"
Money , not given to the clubs , but money spent on the correct things to improve the clubs and their potential to grow localised fan bases and improve existing and find new income streams
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This is spot on. The RFL should just throw pots of magic money in the direction of all clubs, especially Championship clubs. It's magic money, since it doesn't exist but that's the answer.
As well as that the RFL should find, for each Championship club "new income streams". Oh, as well as "improving existing income streams". This is fantastic news. But what does it mean? Oh, I see. Yes, the RFL also needs to get more money from the people who the clubs can't currently get to pay more, and the RFL needs to find more money (STREAMS of it, of course) which these clubs are not able to find themselves.
Bravo. [iMore [/iMagic Money.
BTW, whilst we all anxiously await the invention of Magic Money - is there anything else the RFL could do in the intervening millennia?
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| Quote ="Starbug"Of course , Crusaders obviously needed help [ sorry , their players about VISA's , '" You still peddling this lie Mr Mitty? Quote Championship expansion clubs need probably very similar help to heartland Championship clubs , maybe thats why the new expansion clubs in the Championship are struggling just like the restSo they need to be treated differently and the same. Interesting.
Some clubs just need massive cash ' bail outs ' to continue to operate , and theatrical press releases about ' Iconic ' stadiums
So yes all clubs are slightly different , but there are specific groups of clubs that require certain types of help'"
So what you are saying is that clubs should be treated either differently, or exactly the same, depending on whether it suits you.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"This is spot on. The RFL should just throw pots of magic money in the direction of all clubs, especially Championship clubs. It's magic money, since it doesn't exist but that's the answer.
As well as that the RFL should find, for each Championship club "new income streams". Oh, as well as "improving existing income streams". This is fantastic news. But what does it mean? Oh, I see. Yes, the RFL also needs to get more money from the people who the clubs can't currently get to pay more, and the RFL needs to find more money (STREAMS of it, of course) which these clubs are not able to find themselves.
Bravo. [iMore [/iMagic Money.
BTW, whilst we all anxiously await the invention of Magic Money - is there anything else the RFL could do in the intervening millennia?'"
I understand now why the Bulls ended up in the brown smelly stuff ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"You still peddling this lie Mr Mitty? .'"
I am suggesting the Crusaders players should have recieved help in dealing with their VISA applications , if they had , they wouldn't have got into the mess they did , would they ?
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| Quote ="Him"Attempt to improve the Championship clubs until there is eventually (in the long term) a possibility of P&R returning.
The best ways of helping I would have thought would be a slight change in how RFL funds are distributed to give more to each Championship club. It wouldn't be much as there isn't much to go around anyway but at that level a few thousand can be a big help to some clubs. Also I'm sure the RFL could help with marketing of each club to its local area. Be it through negotiating with local media, local schools or things like the summer camps which a lot of SL clubs run but which some Championship clubs would struggle to fund. Also kicking and cajoling some clubs owners/CEO's into engaging with the local community would be helpful as well.
All clubs, but especially the smaller clubs, need to become much more affiliated with their local areas and communities.'"
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Are you stark raving bonkers man ? , where will all this FREE money come from ? , You are obviously a BUFFOON of the highest order '"
Ok , with that ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif) , I didnt want you left out of the mock ridicule aimed at me ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
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| Quote ="Starbug"I am suggesting the Crusaders players should have recieved help in dealing with their VISA applications , if they had , they wouldn't have got into the mess they did , would they ?'"
Yes, it was the players who did wrong.
If your complaint has now moved the fact the RFL havent begun acting as border control then it looks even more stupid and contrived than when you know you where making it up but just pretended you werent.
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| Quote ="Starbug"....ludicrous and absurd [inon sequitur[/i
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I think some circuits in your cranium may have blown. Yellow Pages. "Soldering".
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"You could make it up if you tried. My evidence of this is that you are making it up.'"
We assume the players filled in their own VISA applications , if they had consulted UKBA , they would most likely have been refused , therefore they would not have been able to play for the Celtic Crusaders in NL 2 , and it would have been unlikely that the Celtic crusaders would have got promoted and have been in a position to apply for a Licence
Not making anything up , just giving a summary of events and an opinion of a likely outcome , I thought thats what MB s were for ?
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| A summary of made up events.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"A summary of =#FF0000made up events.'"
Are you suggesting the players didn't fill in their own VISA applications ?
Who are you suggesting did it for them ?
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| You have started your paragraph with ‘We assume’ you then go on to make up a story how thing could have happened differently to what they did.
It is a summary of events you have made up in your head.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA":38e25tjaYou have started your paragraph with ‘We assume’ you then go on to make up a story how thing could have happened differently to what they did.
It is a summary of events you have made up in your head.'" that Celtic Crusaders would not have been promoted from NL 2
That would have prevented them from applying for SL
As I said , my opinion , you might disagree , it is your perogative to do so
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| So then we are all clear, these made up events didn’t happen, and may never have happened, and will never happen.
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| is any of this relevent to Castlefords current situation or, it is just a Friday afternoon spat ?
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| Its just starbugs lies being repeated and repeated.
It has nothing to do with Cas
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Its just starbugs lies being repeated and repeated.
It has nothing to do with Cas'"
Which bit is a lie? , that the Celtic Crusaders players filled in VISA applications themselves? , as it was the players who were deported, it surely was they that filled in the forms
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| You've pretty much answered your own question.
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