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| We are constantly being told by the SL apologists that SL is owned and run by it's member clubs and that all the Sky money belongs to them.
How is it then that, when the smelly stuff hits the fan, it's always the RFL who they go running to and who subsequently bail them out with money from central funding?
Surely the other members of the SL Gentlemans Club are sympathetic to their plight and would be only too willing to help finance them for the rest of the season.
No? I thought not.
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| I hope when I come back from my jollies in a couple of weeks it’s all been sorted .
The way things are going the ‘White Night’ will be able to pick the club up for next to nothing, what was the latest figure, £200k?
So the Administrator will have culled the bloated staffing dilemma, removed the unwanted players & wiped off the debt.
The new club keeps the cream of the crop, the supporters pay to get in for the rest of the season, as gratitude they’ve still got a club.
The RFL let’s them off with the loan under the Iconic status clause & reduces the rent ad infinitum.
Move along people………………………………
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| Quote ="Fax Machine"We are constantly being told by the SL apologists that SL is owned and run by it's member clubs and that all the Sky money belongs to them.
How is it then that, when the smelly stuff hits the fan, it's always the RFL who they go running to and who subsequently bail them out with money from central funding?'"
Where does it say that the money is coming from central funding? The only comment in the press has been that the RFL are considering an advance on monies due to Bradford from SL funds. And the reason why it's the RFL that get asked is because the clubs delegated the administration of those funds to the RFL, along with all the other administrative duties.
Quote ="Fax Machine"Surely the other members of the SL Gentlemans Club are sympathetic to their plight and would be only too willing to help finance them for the rest of the season.
No? I thought not.'"
Apart from my point above, nobody has ever made the SL chairmen out to be some collection of altruists. Quite the opposite in fact.
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"I hope when I come back from my jollies in a couple of weeks it’s all been sorted
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The way things are going the ‘White Night’ will be able to pick the club up for next to nothing, what was the latest figure, £200k?
So the Administrator will have culled the bloated staffing dilemma, removed the unwanted players & wiped off the debt.
The new club keeps the cream of the crop, the supporters pay to get in for the rest of the season, as gratitude they’ve still got a club.
The RFL let’s them off with the loan under the Iconic status clause & reduces the rent ad infinitum.
Move along people………………………………'"
HMRC would have something to say about that scenario. As would many of the club's supporters, by the sound of it.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Where does it say that the money is coming from central funding? The only comment in the press has been that the RFL are considering an advance on monies due to Bradford from SL funds. And the reason why it's the RFL that get asked is because the clubs delegated the administration of those funds to the RFL, along with all the other administrative duties.
Apart from my point above, nobody has ever made the SL chairmen out to be some collection of altruists. Quite the opposite in fact.'"
Ah! So the RFL can not refuse to give Bradford, or any other SL club, the money as it already belongs to them. It's like when Granny gives the kids £50 each for Christmas but the parents give it to the kids a bit at a time as they'd only spend it all. I thought the BOD's of RL clubs were a little more mature and responsible than that, or maybe not.
So basically the RFL are official bankers (no, that's not rhyming slang, or maybe it is) for Superleague, are they?
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"I hope when I come back from my jollies in a couple of weeks it’s all been sorted
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The way things are going the ‘White Night’ will be able to pick the club up for next to nothing, what was the latest figure, £200k?
So the Administrator will have culled the bloated staffing dilemma, removed the unwanted players & wiped off the debt.
The new club keeps the cream of the crop, the supporters pay to get in for the rest of the season, as gratitude they’ve still got a club.
The RFL let’s them off with the loan under the Iconic status clause & reduces the rent ad infinitum.
Move along people………………………………'"
All good reasons to pull the trigger and kill the club off.
A fresh start in CC1 is the answer.
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| Quote ="Fax Machine"Ah! So the RFL can not refuse to give Bradford, or any other SL club, the money as it already belongs to them. It's like when Granny gives the kids £50 each for Christmas but the parents give it to the kids a bit at a time as they'd only spend it all. I thought the BOD's of RL clubs were a little more mature and responsible than that, or maybe not.
So basically the RFL are official bankers (no, that's not rhyming slang, or maybe it is) for Superleague, are they?'"
I'd respond sensibly, but you're clearly only interested in having a rant.
Enjoy.
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"I hope when I come back from my jollies in a couple of weeks it’s all been sorted
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The way things are going the ‘White Night’ will be able to pick the club up for next to nothing, what was the latest figure, £200k?
So the Administrator will have culled the bloated staffing dilemma, removed the unwanted players & wiped off the debt.
The new club keeps the cream of the crop, the supporters pay to get in for the rest of the season, as gratitude they’ve still got a club.
The RFL let’s them off with the loan under the Iconic status clause & reduces the rent ad infinitum.
Move along people………………………………'"
Sounds like exactly what will happen
good old 'iconic status clause'
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| Quote ="Wilbred T Pricklepop"Sounds like exactly what will happen
good old 'iconic status clause''"
No it won't.
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| Quote ="Kosh"I'd respond sensibly, but you're clearly only interested in having a rant.
Enjoy.'"
Not at all. I believe I've made my point albeit with a certain amount of facetiousness and cynisism. Unfortunately, the devious machinations of the RFL and SL tend to provoke this from me as with a great many others.
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| Did Fax not get a spot in SL during the last raffle?
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| Quote ="Fax Machine"We are constantly being told by the SL apologists that SL is owned and run by it's member clubs and that all the Sky money belongs to them.'"
Do you not think it's a bit rich a Halifax supporter lecturing other fans about Super League given the similarly appalling way in which your club was run not so long ago.
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| Quote ="McClennan"Do you not think it's a bit rich a Halifax supporter lecturing other fans about Super League given the similarly appalling way in which your club was run not so long ago.'"
albeit by the man who is now running the whole league in the same appalling way
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| If only the £500K raised by supporters had been retained and invested into whatever guise the new Bradford takes club rather than bailing out the previous board and their failings.
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| Domain name bradfordnorthern.co.uk was registered yesterday the same day the old website closed
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| Quote ="McClennan"Do you not think it's a bit rich a Halifax supporter lecturing other fans about Super League given the similarly appalling way in which your club was run not so long ago.'"
When, exactly, are you referring to?
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| Quote ="Guayaquil Wire"albeit by the man who is now running the whole league in the same appalling way'"
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| Quote ="tigerj"Domain name bradfordnorthern.co.uk was registered yesterday the same day the old website closed'"
By someone who is a Leeds fan (according to his Twitter).
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Quote ="Fax Machine"When, exactly, are you referring to?'"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_League_VIII
Still the longest losing run in Super League I think, isn't it? 27 games. Basically, the club (then run by Nigel Wood, or he was involved at some responsible level) ended up spending just £400k to pay for their whole squad over the course of the season at a time when several other clubs were spending up to, and some just over, the salary cap.
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_League_VIII
Still the longest losing run in Super League I think, isn't it? 27 games. Basically, the club (then run by Nigel Wood, or he was involved at some responsible level) ended up spending just £400k to pay for their whole squad over the course of the season at a time when several other clubs were spending up to, and some just over, the salary cap.
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| Quote ="Guayaquil Wire"albeit by the man who is now running the whole league in the same appalling way'"
There is no one man running SL. For the umpteenth time.
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| Quote ="Fax Machine"Not at all. I believe I've made my point albeit with a certain amount of facetiousness and cynisism. Unfortunately, the devious machinations of the RFL and SL tend to provoke this from me as with a great many others.'"
The RFL and SL couldn't manage a 'devious machination' between them.
In answer to your earlier point, the money belongs to SLE Ltd. and is given to the RFL to distribute among the clubs who make up that organisation at any given time. There is a schedule of payments to clubs, although I'm not sure of the exact details of when and how many payments are normally made. Many clubs have received advances on this money from the RFL over the years, usually to tide them over a cash flow problem of one sort or another.
The RFL is under no obligation to hand over the cash early - particularly when Bradford's membership of SL is in some doubt going forward.
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| Seems someone may be trying to make money out of the situation by selling the name to them. Like they are in the financial position to do that!
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| Quote ="McClennan"hBasically, the club (then run by Nigel Wood, or he was involved at some responsible level) ended up spending just £400k to pay for their whole squad over the course of the season at a time when several other clubs were spending up to, and some just over, the salary cap.'"
Dont let the facts get in the way of a good story. By this time Nigel Wood had long since left the club and a group of supporters came in and basically had to clean up the mess that he had left. Despite the onfield record, for that season we were probably the best run club in the competition.
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| Quote ="McClennan"Do you not think it's a bit rich a Halifax supporter lecturing other fans about Super League given the similarly appalling way in which your club was run not so long ago.'"
Quote ="McClennan"en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_League_VIII
Still the longest losing run in Super League I think, isn't it? 27 games. Basically, the club (then run by Nigel Wood, or he was involved at some responsible level) ended up spending just £400k to pay for their whole squad over the course of the season at a time when several other clubs were spending up to, and some just over, the salary cap.'"
So a club cutting its spending to pay off debts and not spending what they dont have is discribed as being "appalling" by you.
WOW. You must think that Bradford are the best run club in the world by your standards then.
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| Quote ="hi de hi"As a Bradford fan i am sickened by the way C***ley and his puppet are treating the players,employees and supporters of this great club and dragging its once good name through the gutter. I was so proud to be a Bulls fan on Friday shouting myself ho at Wigan, now i am just embarrassed.
Now is the hour for all true supporters to stand up and say enough is enough and band together to try and form a new team for 2013 in Championship 1. I would rather start again in the lower leagues and have the respect of other RL fans than possibly continue in SL with certain people running the club. I can't imagine it would cost that much to raise a team for CC1, certainly not £500K!
Come on Northern Bulls!'"
Not being a Bulls fan, I dont know the ins and outs of the CC situation but, if you were going to "buy" a loss making business wqith huge debts, which would be the best way forward.
1) take on the loss making business with huge debts
20 take the business from the Administrator, with a clean slate and with much of the pruning having already been done.
It's fairly straight forward from a business point of view.
The one aspect that must really anny the hell out of the Fans, is the 500k that you were asked to raise, when in all probability, this same exercise could have taken place some months ago ?
For sure, any goodwill from the fans will be devalued but, on the plus side, it does appear that you will still have a team to support.
Good luck
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