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[iA cartoon lampooning the divide in rugby. The caricatures are of Rev. Frank Marshall, an arch-opponent of broken-time payments and James Miller, a long-time opponent of Marshall. The caption underneath reads:
Marshall: "Oh, fie, go away naughty boy, I don't play with boys who can’t afford to take a holiday for football any day they like!"
Miller: "Yes, that’s just you to a T; you’d make it so that no lad whose father wasn’t a millionaire could play at all in a really good team. For my part I see no reason why the men who make the money shouldn’t have a share in the spending of it."[/i
Whilst the above I’ve dragged from Wikipedia isn’t exactly Nazism - more elitism. Still the same thing in my eyes - just under different names.
Whilst Union wanted the rich to play their game, Nazi’s wanted the Aryan race to play the earth game. Ok poor people did get to play rugby union but at a struggle. When league came about they haven’t treated our concepts very nicely have there?
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| Quote ="Old Darlin"The better OP would have been......'"
why the fuxk do league fans use immaginary conspiracies to explain away the global dominance of union?
Another good thread would be why do fans of various sports feel the need to put league NAZIS straight on the ability to follow more than one sport.....without beig called a troll as a lightweigt response...
OD....you bring SFA to the game apart from research.....and if you have to post someone elses idea....don't bother.....just get over it!
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds"
[iA cartoon lampooning the divide in rugby. The caricatures are of Rev. Frank Marshall, an arch-opponent of broken-time payments and James Miller, a long-time opponent of Marshall. The caption underneath reads:
Marshall: "Oh, fie, go away naughty boy, I don't play with boys who can’t afford to take a holiday for football any day they like!"
Miller: "Yes, that’s just you to a T; you’d make it so that no lad whose father wasn’t a millionaire could play at all in a really good team. For my part I see no reason why the men who make the money shouldn’t have a share in the spending of it."[/i
Whilst the above I’ve dragged from Wikipedia isn’t exactly Nazism - more elitism. Still the same thing in my eyes - just under different names.
Whilst Union wanted the rich to play their game, Nazi’s wanted the Aryan race to play the earth game. Ok poor people did get to play rugby union but at a struggle. When league came about they haven’t treated our concepts very nicely have there?'"
union is clearly a sport for the so called elite whilst RL is for everyone else.
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| Quote ="dids858"Yep you only have to look at the dirty tricks that USAP were doing when Dragons where sharing.'"
exactly
a council owned ground but the vichies wouldnt allow Les Catalans use of the stadium.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"why the fuxk do league fans use immaginary conspiracies to explain away the global dominance of union?
Another good thread would be why do fans of various sports feel the need to put league NAZIS straight on the ability to follow more than one sport.....without beig called a troll as a lightweigt response...
OD....you bring SFA to the game apart from research.....and if you have to post someone elses idea....don't bother.....just get over it!'"
RU knows it cant compete with RL on the field
so it has to cheat off the field to survive
friends in high places, bank loans waived when the club goes broke or other shady dealings like that.
the day when union has to survive on its own popularity and not friends in high places it will be dead in a heatbeat
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| Quote ="gutterfax"why the fuxk do league fans use immaginary conspiracies to explain away the global dominance of union?
Another good thread would be why do fans of various sports feel the need to put league NAZIS straight on the ability to follow more than one sport.....without beig called a troll as a lightweigt response...
OD....you bring SFA to the game apart from research.....and if you have to post someone elses idea....don't bother.....just get over it!'"
I bring sweet FA.
When you add something other than your latest little bouquet for union, let me know.
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| He loves his rah rah, DM.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"why the fuxk do league fans use immaginary conspiracies to explain away the global dominance of union?
Another good thread would be why do fans of various sports feel the need to put league NAZIS straight on the ability to follow more than one sport.....without beig called a troll as a lightweigt response...
OD....you bring SFA to the game apart from research.....and if you have to post someone elses idea....don't bother.....just get over it!'"
Thats a little unfair Gutters
OD used to post some lovely pictures of BLT sandwiches too
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| Quote ="Barry_McKenzie"Thats a little unfair Gutters
OD used to post some lovely pictures of BLT sandwiches too'"
That was you trying to explain why you were not an:
Anti Rugby League Type...
Guess what? No-one bought it...
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| And soon after you ran away crying...
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| Quote ="gutterfax"why the fuxk do league fans use immaginary conspiracies to explain away the global dominance of union?'"
I think you’ll find that the conspiracy I proposed in the opening post could well be very real in the worldly side of things. Despite big efforts to stop war ever happening again after world war two its still going on.
But whenever the Remnant Nazis are suppressing rugby league is another thing.
The one thing I think we can all agree on is the Nazi’s wasn’t directly involved with suppressing rugby league in France in the first place - it was Vichy.
However going by the remnant Nazi theory, it would surprise me if there’s a new generation of Vichy elements within the Nazi ranks.
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds"I think you’ll find that the conspiracy I proposed in the opening post could well be very real in the worldly side of things.'"
No. No it couldn't. hth.
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| Is no one a bit worried about what happens when Union, as they are clearly discussing, opens up its game via the rules into a more flowing game?
I caught a couple of S14 games last year with these new ruck rules and it was a far superior product. Granted it looked like a full time version of league 50 years ago and I still prefer my league but this year in SL and the NRL there were some downright boring attrition games at times. There is more variety in the union game and if someone wakes up, smells the roses and basically admits we were right all along: it could be curtains for league in this country.
Hopefully we'd adapt and evolve again but.. I have my worries. No one will care who has the better athletes if they enjoy the product more, hell, none of us care about soccer.
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| Quote ="Dico"Is no one a bit worried about what happens when Union, as they are clearly discussing, opens up its game via the rules into a more flowing game?
I caught a couple of S14 games last year with these new ruck rules and it was a far superior product. Granted it looked like a full time version of league 50 years ago and I still prefer my league but this year in SL and the NRL there were some downright boring attrition games at times. There is more variety in the union game and if someone wakes up, smells the roses and basically admits we were right all along: it could be curtains for league in this country.
Hopefully we'd adapt and evolve again but.. I have my worries. No one will care who has the better athletes if they enjoy the product more, hell, none of us care about soccer.'"
I've said this many times... but I'll say it again.
League will survive in the UK...and so will Union.
There are enough people who enjoy both codes. There will be people who will never consider watching a Union game...and people who will never consider watching a league game.
Neither code will die out as the doom merchants on here seem to think might happen.
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| I dont think we'll die out as such.
But we get so little coverage as it is, I genuinely believe we're only THIS succesful because of a superior product to all around. We get about as much coverage as darts.. and yet tens of thousands more roll up.
Union improves beyond recognition.. I dont think anyone would give us a look in.
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| Quote ="Dico"I dont think we'll die out as such.
But we get so little coverage as it is, I genuinely believe we're only THIS succesful because of a superior product to all around. We get about as much coverage as darts.. and yet tens of thousands more roll up.
Union improves beyond recognition.. I dont think anyone would give us a look in.'"
I dont think league is 'better' than Union... its like saying milk chocolate is 'better' than dark chocolate.
2 similar products and both will always be preferred by some and not others.
I prefer league (as we all do on here) but I don't dislike the 15 man code.
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| Theres some decent elements.. but overall its just flipping boring.
We'll always be on top in the product stakes until they change something fundamental, to which I think they will.
They have to get off their high horse, as discussed in this thread first though.
That, or they'll go down to 13 men and ditch rucks and claim the idea as their own.
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| Quote ="tb"I see you're reverting to your previous persona.'"
Que?
If you are going to keep talking crap, at least answer a PM.
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| Quote ="tb"No. No it couldn't. hth.'"
The Nazi bit is a bit of a laugh.
But the fact remains rugby league is suppressed in France...
Or do you believe otherwise?
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| Quote ="Dico"Is no one a bit worried about what happens when Union, as they are clearly discussing, opens up its game via the rules into a more flowing game?
I caught a couple of S14 games last year with these new ruck rules and it was a far superior product. Granted it looked like a full time version of league 50 years ago and I still prefer my league but this year in SL and the NRL there were some downright boring attrition games at times. There is more variety in the union game and if someone wakes up, smells the roses and basically admits we were right all along: it could be curtains for league in this country.
Hopefully we'd adapt and evolve again but.. I have my worries. No one will care who has the better athletes if they enjoy the product more, hell, none of us care about soccer.'"
Union is still about 100 years behind on the field.
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| Quote ="Dico"Theres some decent elements.. but overall its just flipping boring.
We'll always be on top in the product stakes until they change something fundamental, to which I think they will.
They have to get off their high horse, as discussed in this thread first though.
That, or they'll go down to 13 men and ditch rucks and claim the idea as their own.'"
nah SL is fine.
RL in england has decades of growth ahead of it
funnily i always associate a stronger nrl with a stronger SL and the nrl is going from strength to strength
club union is flogging a dead horse
with saturation media coverage they still get poor club crowds and the clubs are all (or 90% of them) losing millions
SL should just continue improving as a competition and it will become the 2nd most popular football code.
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| Quote ="Barry_McKenzie"I dont think league is 'better' than Union... its like saying milk chocolate is 'better' than dark chocolate.'"
The first bit is a given with you btw...
Moreover, I don't buy the analogy unless you add some other factors, such as in the case of dark (union) versus milk (rugby league) chocolate:
1. dark chocolate advocates tipped glass in the milk chocolate mixing tanks;
2. dark chocolate advocates flooded the milk chocolate factory so they couldn't make chocolate;
3. dark chocolate lobbied the government to outlaw milk chocolate;
4. dark chocolate used its political position to try and introduce a law stating "all milk to be used in chocolate making was to be restricted to the making of dark chocolate (whether required or otherwise)";
5. milk chocolate was renamed "not quite dark chocolate" etc. etc.
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| Quote ="dally messenger"nah SL is fine.
RL in england has decades of growth ahead of it
funnily i always associate a stronger nrl with a stronger SL and the nrl is going from strength to strength
club union is flogging a dead horse
with saturation media coverage they still get poor club crowds and the clubs are all (or 90% of them) losing millions
SL should just continue improving as a competition and it will become the 2nd most popular football code.'"
Club Rugby Union seems to be going from strength to strength in this country and its still so painful to watch. It was just an observation that if the RU premiership flowed as well as these few S14 games I watched, we'd be in trouble.
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