so you want me to provide evidence for my view but your view remains unsubstantiated ?




RL is now a summer sport rather than a winter sport.

hth

ill repeat if sale can get good crowds then salford will do even better.

salford in a new ground will get 10,000 crowds and be a v.strong SL club

salford at the willows are just another wakey

richard lewis at the time of the next franchise announcements :

<slow clap>

....

<are you watching wakefield>
<are you watching wakefield>


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So that's Wakefield, Cas, Bradford, Saints (possibly) and Hull Kr (possibly ) all gone.

what i love most is your tiny, piffling reaction to lengthy, reasoned and well thought out posts, because you know you've got shi t all to offer in response. keep doing the smilies in an attempt to cover your maggot brained ignorance

Dally you're wrong, Wakefield are definately not last

Precisely. I'd assume that it means we haven't secured all the funding for the full capacity stadium. However, we HAVE accrued enough finance for the two sides of the stadium.

bingo

saints should be targetting manchester and not liverpool eh?

and hey, i can imagine wigan getting a whole heap of fans from manchester too




so wigan, saints and oldham already cover manchester and salford in a new ground, cashed up and with a strong team wont be a better option re. manchester, even forgetting that salford on its own has a large population??

last time i correctly predicted the make of SL.

its not that hard working out what the RFL will do.

1 SL club has to be relegated next time to show the rest that franchising isnt a closed door. the club to go up is widnes.

whose going down?

it will be a heartland club

salford if they show potential on their ground will be given a lifeline because of manchester

its down to cas and wakey

cas are the stronger club now.

given neither will have a ground sorted cas win out.

the fall in wakeys crowds last year after a good season on the pitch spells their doom

1 less yorkshire club redresses the imbalance in SL, and also cas / wakey near each other and underporming, the RFL wont mind seeing one gone.

were do you get your infomation from.

so 3500 fans wont grow in a new stadium




people in manchester watch sale. if they are dumb enough to do that theyll lap up RL gladly.

yeah salfords council is looking to fund their ground but wakey council wont provide funds for cas or wakey

shows why salford are a SL club and wakey will go down then

I don't see how that can be the case at present dally.

For differing reasons both are in the same position re current progress on the new stadia, but Wakefield have consistently had a better league position than Cas & my previous post already shows the positives for Wakefield youth & community work. Cas do have the edge on average atttendance - but that it all.

If your assumption that one of Wakey & Cas will not get their franchise is correct (which I doubt) then it is more likely to be Cas that are unsuccessful than Wakey if judgement day was today. By the time the franchise decisions are made next year I'm sure that Wakefield will have made sufficient progress with the new ground to secure a new franchise without the uncertaintly that we faced in 2008.

Dally, if you're so confident in your opinion that Wakey won't get a franchise for 2012 onwards I'm sure you won't have any problem agreeing to stop commenting on ANY SL issue if Wakey do get a new franchise. If wakey don't get a franchise I'll get a season ticket for Quins and use it.

ill make my final predictions before the decision is made (ie 2 weeks before)

it depends on crusaders and quins not going broke

but if the decision was being made today it would be you in a heartbeat.

assuming quins, crusaders dont go broke, cas crowds dont fall 20%, your crowds rise 20% etc then its you.

ie barring a miracle.

Where is that finance coming from?

Is that you trying to find a way of wriggling out of my challenge? Be a man enough to accept it now. If you're confident enough to say that Wakey won't get enough progress on their new ground before franchise applications are due I don't see what you're problem is.

be man enough to accept it now?




a miracle might happen and quins and crusaders go broke

salfords stadium might go up in smoke.

the situation is dynamic.

ill take your bet 2 weeks before the decisions are made when all the info is to hand

but at the moment its you then daylight!

An interesting example Dally.

A club playing a different sport.
A club that last season didnt have any other premiership rugby union team within a 60 mile radius.
A club that has seen a dip in support this season of circa 15%

Making your bet 2 weeks before the decision is due makes a mockery of every single post you've made in recent months regarding Wakefield's SL status. By that time the planning process for the new ground will be completed (other posts on this thread will educate you as to why it's extremely unlikely that this will not be granted) and all other aspects of the application (contribution to SL, youth development, community work, financial solvency) are at least equal to - and in most cases better than - Salford & Cas. Crusaders are weakest of all SL clubs although the RFL won't have the guts to kick them this time. Quins will retain their place without much difficulty.

The RFL also won't have the guts to kick out more than 1 team and although Wakefield are certainly at risk today, I'm confident enough to predict that Wakefield will retain their SL status as will Cas (although that may be with a short-term ground share at Newmarket Lane until the funding for Glasshoughton is sorted).

If you are so confident that Wakefield won't retain SL status you clearly have nothing to lose. All it means it that you'll have to keep your opinions to the NRL & international game. If I lose, I'll be watching a team every other week that's a 390-400 mile round trip from my own team's home ground.

wakey have seen a similar dip in crowds so there you go.

salford has a large population in its own right

sale has shown that even a sport as dire as union can get good crowds in manchester

see thats all the points ive made in a nutshell, and you even agree that your club is at risk

without knowing how salfords ground is going or whether crusaders will survive, or whether stade francaise bid im not fully sure

1 SL club will be going and right now thats you

as a point of interest, how would i even know if you will be going to quins games?

Again you miss the point.

Sale last season or for many seasons has no other premier rugby union team within roughly a 60 mile radius,apart from when Leeds Carnegie make an appearance in the premier division.


Add to that that Salford dont have the luxury of being the only top flight league club within a 60 mile radius,nor even a 30 mile radius,to compare the two is idoitic.

Having attenended Sale games in a corporate capacity on a number of occasions,much of their support comes from the affluent areas of Cheshire.

Lets try and stick to your original comment regarding - a new stadium for Salford will enable expansion via Manchester

Im afraid none of your comments convince me that that will be the case.

The comment in it self is far too simplistic,as i have pointed out,if it was just a matter of putting modern facilities and top flight league close to or in a major city,then Why didnt it work in Sheffield!!!!!

so you arent convinced, ok.

i am convinced

Only a fool would say that Wakefield are cast iron certainties for a 2012 franchise right now, just as they would be if they were to say the same about Salford, Cas, Crusaders, Widnes, Halifax, Barrow, Toulouse, Stade and any other clubs you want to put into the mix.

As things stand today the only area of weakness in Wakefield's position is in relation to the stadium BUT things look far more positive on this front than they did after WMDC binned their own proposals for a stadium at Thornes Park.

As for proof of going to the Quins games - that's easily sorted as I'll no doubt have opinions to say about the games on here and I'm sure you'd enjoy being able to dish out a good amount of stick every week when you remind me on the same threads that I'm not watching my home town team. At the very least I'll have the financial outlay for a Quins season ticket while it won't actually cost you anything financially to restrict yourself to comments about the NRL & internationals.

You're right (for a change) in saying that there's all sorts of circumstances that can change for other clubs between now & D-Day, but equally there's plenty of things that can change to strengthen Wakefield's application without any other club's circumstances taking a negative shift.

There's a massive difference between highlighting the weaknesses in a club's position and saying that they're dead certs for missing out on a franchise, so if you have the belief in what you've posted previously you shouldn't have a problem in accepting the bet. If you don't actually have the belief in your posts about Wakefield's future in SL you should a) stop commenting about it; and b) start a new thread now to retract your previous posts on the subject. The choice is yours - the question is which will you choose?

FFS. Another everyone vs dally thread.
How many times has he contradicted himself this time?

how many of those fans will they lose because they cant get to the ground anymore and its £25 to get in without a free shirt?.
i dont know why you bring sale into this they're a novelty with no competition
so there gates arent that good really.
as for who should be in SL,if you earn the right on the field that should be end of.