So again it's just random ramblings from a fool incapable of putting forward a cohesive argument.

If you knew anything you would know BV has been improved in line with all promises to a point which makes sense. However there is no point taking it any further as a new stadium is the clubs stated aim. FACT not your FICTION.

The money from SKY goes to Superleague Europe Ltd and not the RFL. It is distributed evenly between it's member clubs.

Again, please show evidence of falling crowds, 7 seasons on the up, 1 slightly down WOW.

Knowsley Road, the Willows and the Jungle are also falling to bits. One of these clubs Saints has been the most succesfull in SL history and has not spent a penny on it's ground - why so selective.

Grow the game, how clueless are you?

Yes the Councils decision was all part of a brilliant plot, no really.

A packed Halton Stadium, Widnes failed to make it in SL and rarely had a full house if ever, but hey don't let fact get in the way.

Conclusion, I feel you may be mentally ill.

I just don't think he likes Wakefield.

Dont be dissing the Viking massive Vasty you big tart, Widnes have plenty of pulling power ready for the next franchise bid and you best deliver more than a couple of drawings and some hard hats son.

Sit back down Championship boy. You must shut thine cake hole for two years yet sonny.

Im in the mood for war today littlerich, out and out war.

I thought they dropped very slightly from 2007 to 2008 and then by 13% from 2008 to 2009. A fall that could be judged more than slight, especially when finishing 5th. If you can point me in the direction of the actual figures that would be appreciated.

The wildcats should be safe for SL if their stadium is being built in early 2011. If not then they will join the likes of salford/crusaders , Cas and maybe Quins under the kosh. The desire of several SL clubs to consider a 12 team SL will add to the pressure.

According to SLStats, 2007 were 6,782, 2008 were 6,962 and 2009 were 5,892 (which I think includes the extra game of the Catalans play off; excluded my rough maths makes it more like 6k), so the drop is 2008-9. I'd agree it is a little more than slight, although I think there are some valid explanations for it and we weren't the only club to suffer as such. Viewed from the longer term, things seem rosier.

Agreed over the stadium issue. 4 of the existing clubs have made big noises and they need be showing tangible progress before 2012 (although I'm sure Saints could get away without doing so). That said, I think recent events in Wales may make the RFL a little more cautious over acting against an existing SL club from the heartlands. Arguments that there are other clubs ready and waiting are all well and good, but in some respects there is a greater onus on those currently outside SL to prove their worth than for those already inside.

You are so full of 5h1t your eyes have turned brown. What a baboons ass you are.

hows it random.

its a history of your failure.

2 semis in all that time and nothing else.

a club which adds very little to SL and whose time is almost up

do you know how bad BV looks watching a game on TV, its like the game is stuck in the 1960s.

thankfully franchising will finally see your demise

if i were that full of it, it would be reminiscant of your franchise application into SL.

new stadium at thornes park, yeah right

at least a few times a week i think about wakey and how theyve failed to do anything in SL.

i cant wait to see them get what they deserve.

my opinion is the club knew when it made its franchise application there were major problems with the stadium re. council and kept it quiet.

the RFL should have learnt from its mistakes on wakey.

their crowds fell quiet a bit last year.

sure if we are going back over 10 years theyve risen from a low base.

did wakey even fullfill half the promises they made in their franchise bid?

crowds fell by 15% last year on your figures and you came 5th ie a good season on the park.

hopeless.

in their current stadium wakey just arent a SL club

perhaps being placed in NL1 will force council into doing something, if not, thats where they belong

even a club like halifax will probably make a stronger SL side than wakey now theyve finished their ground

There's a few other clubs that fall into this net too. Why single out Wakey?

Certainly is , lets face it Leeds have spent many millions on Headingley in the last 70 years

Headingley's cool, what you on about?

It's bloody freezing

This is where dally's team play, and he has the nerve to talk about BV!

the other clubs being salford, and cas.

you cant mean saints or bradford because they are too big for poor stadiums to cost them their SL spots.

1. salford - offer massive potential for expansion if the ground gets done.

2. cas - a stronger SL club than wakey despite a smaller population. the jungle looks a better ground than BV. not by much, but it is. with both clubs close by and widnes waiting in the wings, one has to go.

wakey have been promising to improve BV for years and done zero. their council has shown they cant deliver. kicking one club out of SL could force both clubs to look more closely at a ground share, or it could be a kick in the bum for council to build a ground or lose their SL team forever.

wakey are the perfect example of whats wrong with RL in england. the game will never come close to the nrl whilst there are clubs like this in SL.

What you seem to be ignoring is the fact that next time around the franchise bid will be scored on the RFL's 10 point plan and it is possible to pick up points for things like home grown players in the SL squad, crowd size over 40% capacity and average placing in the previous 3 years non of which are effected by the state of the ground. If both Cas and Wakey score 5/6 on this scale I don't see how either could (by the RFL's own rules) be denied a license.

perhaps its time to stop playing rugby altogether and replace it with the new " how nice is my stadium competition.

sorry saints and leeds you are no longer the top teams you have been replaced by wigan and hull(as long as the football teams do not want to use the stadium)

no sport needs to be played at all just a team of men in suits pointing at toilets and saying ooh!

winner is hull well done to them

Looks a bit like a modernised Chorley



Tuther one like a modernised Willows

Which is the same council that Castleford operate under.

wakey are gone unless they start construction work on their new ground

can they get approval from council, funding and start construction within 2 years - no way in hell.

barring something going wrong in widnes, they are gone irrespective of other criteria measures

maybe one day the RFL will get rid of P&R and replace it with franchising?