He's a player that could go well for Celtic but that's it. He doesn't have enough class to be in SL..National League is more his level, he is just a shocking player.

Edit: As for our starting line up it looks strong enough to make 8th. Strength in depth is very poor though in some positions and if we get key injuries 8th could turn into tenth.

1. McGoldrick - Worked on the high ball a lot last year and seems to be doing ok at FB
2. Dixon - Very underated one of our better players
3. Shenton - Need i say anything ?
4. Evans - Too old.
5. Owen - Could turn into a player as good as Shenton this year
6. Chase - Awsome, awsome player.
7. Sherwin - Too old...expect him to play no more than 10 games.
8. Sargent - Good prop.
9. Hudson - Hope his injury doesn't hamper him. Should do well
10. Jackson - Hope he does well.
11. Ferres - Did really well for us last year
12. Snitch - Hopefully can do well
13. Westerman - Needs to improve to prove all the doubters wrong.

Whilst i agree with you that he isnt a player i would have wanted to retain, i will give credit where credits due, his defence was excellent at the end of last season, though as i have already said he offers nothing going forward. clayton competing as he is for the 5th choice second rower position with john davies is the least of our worries.

I think you do evans and sherwin a disservice too, evans played well for us last year was solid in defence but lacked pace. As for sherwin do you have any reasoning for saying he will play the least games a season he has ever played for us|?

I'll tell you what lewis, would you like a wager on whether sherwin plays more than 10 games this coming season? say 20 quid bet, split between the winner and an rl connected charity of your choice (brenan rooney, rfl benevolant, adam watene)?

Don't get me wrong i'm not one of those guys who's negative infact i'm one of the most positive guys that you could find however us retaining Clayton is a very poor piece of business. Evans was one of those players that for me just wasn't good enough and when we came up against half decent teams he went missing.

Sherwin is now what 31 (32 after a month of the season) and has shown that he is really struggling with injury in the latter part of his career. Don't get me wrong (again) when he's fit he makes things happen for us but he's never going to be 100% fit again which makes me think he won't play more than 15 games for us this season.

As for the wager....i was exaggerating a little bit with 10 but i'll take that bet with 15 instead ?

i think your harsh saying he's never going to be fit again (sherwin) he's had some bad luck but theres no reason to believe that he wont be fit next season.

I will take your bet lewis (as long as half of the money goes to charity), i like a man who backs his words.

Even if he has to shift the goal posts a bit

i think your harsh saying he's never going to be fit again (sherwin) he's had some bad luck but theres no reason to believe that he wont be fit next season.

I will take your bet lewis (as long as half of the money goes to charity), i like a man who backs his words.

Even if he has to shift the goal posts a bit

I'm not 100% about that bet looking at it now but hey ho i'll back it.

Charity should be rfl benevolent fund if that's okay with you ?

Yeah thats very much okay with me.

Leeds
Saints
Catalans
Wigan
Wire
Bradford
Hull
Huddersfeild
Hull KR
Cas
Wakey
Celtic
Salford

Interesting to see that Hull have been placed anything from 3rd to 12th.

I appreciate that we have done very poorly the last two years but I think we have a very exciting squad next year and our first choice 17 will be a match for anyone. Hopefully we will shock a few people this season.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no...why play the below average drunk at full back when there's next years England #1 stuck on the wing? McGoldrick shouldn't even get a place in the starting 13.

Owen will the next England number that is for sure in next years tri nation he is his already better than the crap we played at Full back this tri nation.
by the way boys this aint the Cas site you know

Hull will only do better with a new coach till then bottom half that is for sure.

Keep watching Dave Halley

Think next season they could be alot of full backs in contention for England.

Briscoe, Tansey, Owen, Halley, Mathers, Wellens, Blaymire and Melling, 8 there and there isnt alot between them really.

1. Leeds
2. Stains
3. Catalans
4. Wire
5. Hull KR
6. Huddersfield
7. Bradford
8. Hull FC
9. Wakefield
10. Castleford
11. Quins
12. Salford
13. Crusaders

I have omitted Wigan but that's how I rank the other 13 teams

I was thinking the same. Whilst people are righting us off I am more than happy. The one quote that tickled me was that we would be ok if we avoid injuries (Long and Yak the main ones). Maybe our other signings and the clear out have been missed. We are no more immune to injuries than any other team, but our squad will have been together for a good 4 months before kick off and will hopefully have gelled very well. Add to that some experience in the coaching department and some ultra professional imports blended with some very exciting youngsters and we can't help but improve (significantly at that ) on last year.
I just hope all the SL coaches have written us off as well. Though I am sure they are far more knowledgablethan most on here. Top four here we come.Back where we belong. All done with a sustainable budget as well.

In a way I agree, but I have hope that a new assistant coach Dennis Moore help Agar this year, alos we have Long who is getting involved in coaching our attacking play.

Really hard to predict the league this year, but will have a go anyway.

Leeds
Warrington
Saints
Les Catlans
Huddersfield
Wigan
Hull
Bradford
Rovers
Wakefield
Cas
Quins
Salford
Crusaders

I think it will be pretty tight between the ones in bold. The battle for the playoffs should excellent this year, can only see Warrington (on paper) challenging Leeds for the title though.

Agar is the doubt of many Hull fans, however I am willing to give him some time. Even without a new coach though I will be shocked if we don't make the 8 again.

Are quins not included now?

The welshman?

theres space for them in 14th

Dont know if you are been sarcastic but he changed back to England earlier in the year.

Yeah i was hence the wink.

Thats the one

Joking aside i garee with you that he looks like he will make a fantastic fullback. imo your best player by far when we played you at your place.