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| Has senior not retired? I see myler as our only 7 we've produced since Long. But he cant, due to his experience, organise and lead a side yet. Cooke would take some of the responsibility off him which no other english 6 could. My two problems with that side would be Briscoe and moving peacock to 2nd row but theres just no other mobile 2nd rowers good enough, Not the problems you saw.
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| I can't believe people are on here complaining about Morley and Carvell being picked for the national team, they are two of the best forwards in the league.
Higham used to get picked when he was a Wigan player and he has done alright at international level.
As for Westwood and Myler, people were quite pleased when they were picked for the squad in the past, they were the type of 'new names' who were in popular demand.
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| Four Nations presentation video.
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| Quote ="nathanwood7"No arguments with that team - looks very strong'"
Not it doesn't.
But the sad part is that it is the best we've got.
btw as a Hull fan I'm pleased that Tom Briscoe has been included. Even if he doesn't play it will be good for him to be around the international scene. And I will probably get shot down for this (in fact I know I will), but I would have him ahead of Gardner and even Fox, even at this stage of his career.
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"Not it doesn't.
But the sad part is that it is the best we've got.
btw as a Hull fan I'm pleased that Tom Briscoe has been included. Even if he doesn't play it will be good for him to be around the international scene. And I will probably get shot down for this (in fact I know I will), but I would have him ahead of Gardner and even Fox, even at this stage of his career.'"
Its not a shock you'd have him over a Rovers player
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"Its not a shock you'd have him over a Rovers player'"
It's got nothing to do with him being a Rovers player whatsoever. I said Fox because he will probably be the one who is picked, yet i would rather have Briscoe.
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"Not it doesn't.
But the sad part is that it is the best we've got.
btw as a Hull fan I'm pleased that Tom Briscoe has been included. Even if he doesn't play it will be good for him to be around the international scene. And I will probably get shot down for this (in fact I know I will), but I would have him ahead of Gardner and even Fox, even at this stage of his career.'"
Gardner needs a great centre (Lyon, Gidley) and an average opposite winger.
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| IMO the most interesting selection so far is that Stefan Ratchford has made the train on squad, I genuinely feel he is a better player than Myler is. (Not jsut because he's a Wiganer ) Hopefully Salford can keep onto him and build a team around him with the money from Myler & Turner.
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| Quote ="Drachen Feuer"IMO the most interesting selection so far is that Stefan Ratchford has made the train on squad, I genuinely feel he is a better player than Myler is. (Not jsut because he's a Wiganer
) Hopefully Salford can keep onto him and build a team around him with the money from Myler & Turner.'"
So that's you and most of the Salford fans
Certainly looked a class act this year and stepped up a gear when Myler started to let the transfer talk affect his game.
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| Quote ="MikePB"icon_confused.gif
What about Morley?
Morley or Crabtree, no contest at all. I in fact like Crabtree, but the aussies will smash him all over the place.He didnt want to know in the final when he got hit by Morley (granted the game was over)'"
i was referring to the guy who mentioned burgess infront of crabtree at prop.. would like to see morley and crabtree both off the bench!
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| Quote ="The Glorious League Freak"They actually shot a good ending for I Am Legend, showed it to American test audiences and they hated it. So they reworked the ending and made it crap!
By the way, I hope Warrington dominate the England side. If they do all we'll need is some Benny Hill music and we're all set!
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I know it's trendy to have a go at League Freak but that's quite funny!
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| Quote ="The Jigga Jigga"We are the only English team to win any silverwear this year apart from the LLS but Leeds think that is worthless, or at least they did last year when saints won it'"
Winning the Challenge Cup is like winning the FA Cup in football. Takes a bit of luck and the magic of the cup but not really any reflection of quality unlike the league where Warrington came in 10th place, When Sunderland won the FA Cup in the 70's did their squad suddenly fill most of the England national team spots? No. They just got a nice trophy, a pat on the back and sent back to Division 2 where they belonged.
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| Quote ="punkasstony"Winning the Challenge Cup is like winning the FA Cup in football. Takes a bit of luck and the magic of the cup but not really any reflection of quality unlike the league where Warrington came in 10th place, When Sunderland won the FA Cup in the 70's did their squad suddenly fill most of the England national team spots? No. They just got a nice trophy, a pat on the back and sent back to Division 2 where they belonged.'"
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| Why? If Leeds won the Challenge Cup I would be delighted but I wouldnt use it to suggest we are better than we are.
When we won it in 1999, I was under no illusions about how good Leeds were.
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| Quote ="punkasstony"Why? If Leeds won the Challenge Cup I would be delighted but I wouldnt use it to suggest we are better than we are.
When we won it in 1999, I was under no illusions about how good Leeds were.'"
No but I bet you saw it as a springboard for continued success. I think it's fair to say Warrington put all there eggs in one basket this year and that cost us a play off place. Now the underachiever tag has been thrown off I'm sure Warrington will be a force next year.
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| Quote ="punkasstony"Why? If Leeds won the Challenge Cup I would be delighted but I wouldnt use it to suggest we are better than we are.
When we won it in 1999, I was under no illusions about how good Leeds were.'"
The issue has got nothing to do with how good Warrington are. It's simply about the players concerned:
Morley is top class
Carvell is an excellent prop
Westwood and Myler are the current holders of their respective shirts and have impressed in their games for England. They are obvious choices for a train-on squad.
Higham has consistently been around the national squad for years and has done well when picked.
If anything its the average players at the top teams who shouldn't be picked not the good players at the poorer teams. Players like JJB, Wilkin, Gardener, Wellens, and Sinfield have been pretty poor when given the chance at international level.
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| Quote ="nathanwood7"The issue has got nothing to do with how good Warrington are. It's simply about the players concerned:
Morley is top class
Carvell is an excellent prop
Westwood and Myler are the current holders of their respective shirts and have impressed in their games for England. They are obvious choices for a train-on squad.
Higham has consistently been around the national squad for years and has done well when picked.'"
Agree with most of that, but really think we have better hookers than Higham.
Quote ="nathanwood7"If anything its the average players at the top teams who shouldn't be picked not the good players at the poorer teams. Players like JJB, Wilkin, Gardener, Wellens, and Sinfield have been pretty poor when given the chance at international level.'"
You could add Pryce to that list. Surely Wellens will be replaced this time round.
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| Quote ="Newton-Le-willows-Warrior"1. shaun briscoe
2. peter fox
3. michael shenton
4. martin gleeson
5. ryan hall
6. sam tomkins
7. rob burrow
8. adrian morley
9. scott moore
10. jamie peacock
11. gareth ellis
12. sam burgess
13. sean o'loughlin
14. james roby
15. james graham
16. eorl crabtree
17. jamie jones buchanan
18. gareth carvell
19. ben westwood
20. richie myler
21. ryan atkins
22. leon pryce
23. danny mcguire
24. jon wilkin'"
Only weak links in that are Shenton and Moore, but there's simply no one else.
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| Quote ="punkasstony"Why? If Leeds won the Challenge Cup I would be delighted but I wouldnt use it to suggest we are better than we are.
When we won it in 1999, I was under no illusions about how good Leeds were.'"
It isn't about winning the Challenge Cup that were have 4 players in the Train on squad
Morley - MOS candidate and is one of the best props in the league
Higham - Played hooker for England/GB before and this season has been as good as any he has ever had
Westwood - Made it into the GB/England squad for the past 3 years and has been strong this year too, and consistent
Carvell - Top season by Carvell and deserves the call up, regardless if it is just the train on squad
What im saying is that there is usually about 3 or 4 Wire players in the Train on squad, it doesnt Make any difference our coach is also England coach, or if we won the CC.
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| Quote ="Catalancs"Agree with most of that, but really think we have better hookers than Higham.'"
Has anybody doubted this. He hasn't been awarded the Tony Smith's number one hooker award. He's been named in a train-on squad.
In all likeliness the likes of Roby, Diskin, Moore, Lunt etc will be challenging him for the places in the final squad.
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| Quote ="nathanwood7"Has anybody doubted this. He hasn't been awarded the Tony Smith's number one hooker award. He's been named in a train-on squad.
In all likeliness the likes of Roby, Diskin, Moore, Lunt etc will be challenging him for the places in the final squad.'"
Totally unecessary attempt and a failed attempt at that, at sarcasm.
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| Didnt Tony Smith pick Jon Clarke for GB when he was still Leeds Rhinos coach...? Surely Clarke deserves a shot if Higham is in there?
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| Quote ="Enicomb"Only weak links in that are Shenton and Moore, but there's simply no one else.'"
Shenton and moore arent weak links both of them have been in better form this season than say gleeson and jjb.
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| Myler should'nt be in the squad.
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| Quote ="Ande"Myler should'nt be in the squad.'" Myler hasn't played that much recently, and a lot of that will have been political, yet he has still played in 2/3 of Salford's games.
He has featured in 2 of Smith's previous squads, so Smith sees something in him, and feels he is worthy of at least a train on squad spot.
If we don;t include the likes of Myler, who do we go with, Burrows and Pryce again?
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